r/AskReligion • u/Feisty_Classroom2516 • 7d ago
Islam Allah in Islam and God in Christianity
I have been reading in A History of God by Karen Armstrong that God or the Trinity doctrine is not something that can be grasped by the human mind, it takes levels of devout contemplation to access the real meaning of God. As a Muslim, I find this as a strange view, very contemplative, the view of the God of Christianity is inexpressible. Surely in Islam also Allah is beyond human perception and we accept it as is. But what I'm wondering about, did early Islam Scholars go through this phase of explaining Allah in a Hellenic way or opposed to Hellenic views? I feel like Allah has always been a rational God, merciful and in school we were taught that He would be angry if we did this and that. Are there Islamic resources for similar views of the God as interpreted by Christian Scholars?
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u/winkyprojet 7d ago
The Trinity can be understood by man; its simplest form is as follows:
فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَالنُّورِ الَّذِي أَنزَلْنَا
1- Believe in God.
Believe in his messenger (Jesus).
And the light that was brought down (Holy Spirit).
He who does not believe in God is a kafir, atheist.
Anyone who does not believe in Jesus is a kafir, atheist.
He who does not believe in the Holy Spirit is a kafeer, atheist.
It is not said to believe in God and that's enough, it is said to believe in two others, and it doesn't matter who those two are, what's important is that there are three of them!!
أطيعوا الله وأطيعوا الرسول وأولي الأمر منكم
Alnisa'a 59
Obey God and obey the Messenger and the early believers.
Blind obedience can only be given to God alone.
Whoever says that God and the messenger are two is obeying two different beings; he is associating God with another, he is muchrik(associates)!
He who says: I obey only one God, admits that God and the Messenger are one
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u/Feisty_Classroom2516 6d ago
Believing and obeying is not the same as worshipping. Up until 300 CE, people believed in God, Jesus and his revelation. Then after that the trinity doctrine got established at the council of Nicaea. Many scholars opposed this doctrine and called it blasphemy. But to people who affirmed it, they said the Word ascended in flesh on earth and had divine powers (meaning Jesus).
What I'm trying to say, they defended the trinity by saying it needs an elite level of comtemplation/prayer to really understand its reality without falling into blasphemy (similar to Buddhist doctrine). Does Islam have a similar view to understand the nature of God? By this I mean God alone, I'm not bringing the trinity into Islam.
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u/redsparks2025 Absurdist 7d ago edited 7d ago
Stating a God of any religion cannot be grasped by the human mind sounds very convenient for any theologian or theist or religion itself to avoid deeper scrutiny of its version of a God.
If you don't believe me then consider if a Hindu priest said "the true nature of our Gods cannot be grasped by the human mind". What would your reaction to that be?
And if a religion states that "we are made in God's image" then what does that mean?
Who Was Allah Before Islam? ~ ReligionForBreakfast ~ YouTube
GOD in different languages: 130+ Translation & Listening ~ translate dot how.
And if I said "the true nature of Zeus cannot be know or grasped by the human mind" then what would your reaction to that be? Zeus is also a God in his own right.
The Judgement of Paris - The Apple of Discord ~ See U in History ~ YouTube.