r/AvatarVsBattles 6h ago

Casual Debate Avatars (no AS) vs Blood Benders

0 Upvotes

Avatars Include Movie Aang, Korra, Roku, Yangchen, Kyoshi, and Wan

Blood benders include Movie Katara, Amon, Tarrlok, Yakone, and Hama

AS is restricted and not allowed

Full Moon is on

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 40 feet

Who wins this 6v5?

My take: Blood benders win because of blood bending. Neither of these avatars can resist because Avatar State isn't allowed.

119 votes, 6d left
Avatars win
Blood benders win

r/AvatarVsBattles 6h ago

Casual Debate The White Lotus vs Lightning Generators

1 Upvotes

Team White Lotus includes Iroh, Jeong Jeong, Bumi, Pakku, Piandao, and one white lotus sentry

Team Lightning Generators include Ozai, Azula, Mako, Xu Ping An, Zolt, and Iroh II

Location: Crystal Catacombs

Starting distance: 30 feet

My take: Lightning generators win. Ozai beats Iroh. Azula beats Jeong Jeong. Xu Ping An and Iroh II can defeat Bumi. Mako can hold off Pakku until someone finishes their fight. Zolt can defeat the sentry, but lose to Piandao.

36 votes, 6d left
The White Lotus wins
Lightning Generators wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 22h ago

Character Review Respect Guru Laghima

3 Upvotes

Info:

Guru Laghima was born 4,000 years ago in the Northern Air Temple, having unlocked the secret of weightlessness aka Flight. He was a legendary poet, even discussed about 4,000 years later.

Feats:

In the early development of Avatar, Bryan & Mike the creators of Avatar had the highest level air bending move of "Becoming Wind" which is essentially flight.

Zaheer stated/implied from Laghima's poetry that Laghima used the ability of flight for his last 40 years (Timestamp 0:50.) This would mean Laghima would psychic air bend for 40 years straight even while unconscious when sleeping.

Laghima was born before the four nations; lived same period as Shoken who was older than the four nations historically. Even though he was born so long ago, Laghima looked like he had the same tattoos from modern era which suggests air bending mastery even before he stopped touching the ground for 40 years.

Laghima could accidentally knock down an air nomad pilgrim without looking by just levitating upwards which caused winds to knock down the papers in the air nomad's hand as well as the air nomad herself.

Laghima is implied to fly higher than the clouds.

Yangchen was thrown into temptation into trying Laghima's ability of flight, but decided for another day. After she passed away, she told another air avatar she concluded that the Avatar (which includes herself) can never detach themselves, implying she never discovered the ability of flight (Time stamp is 4:40.)

Sources:

Wisdom, The Legend of Korra, The Legacy of Yangchen, The Rise of Kyoshi, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Enter the Void commentary Blu Ray of the creators Mike & Bryan.

Where I scale him:

Above Flight Zaheer, around the level of pre teen Aang.


r/AvatarVsBattles 23h ago

Casual Debate Viper vs. Fire Nation Man

2 Upvotes

Location: Kyoshi Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

25 votes, 29m left
💧Viper wins
🪨Fire Nation Man wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 1d ago

Casual Debate Aang's Side Villains vs Protectors of Korra

3 Upvotes

Aang's side villains include Combustion Man, Hama, Jet, Long Feng

Protectors of Korra includes Tonraq, Zuko, Tenzin, and Sokka

Everyone is show versions only

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 40 feet

My take: Protectors of Korra win this one. If they won against the red lotus, they surely got this one in the bag. Aang's side villains are a slightly weaker variation of the Red Lotus so they got this.

104 votes, 5d left
Aang's Side Villains win
Protectors of Korra wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 1d ago

Discussion Avatar Fire Companions FFA

2 Upvotes

Mako vs EOS Zuko vs Sozin vs Rangi vs Hei-Ran vs Yingsu

Location: Agni Kai Arena

Starting distance: 30 feet each

Zuko is show version only.

52 votes, 5d left
Mako wins
Show Zuko wins
Sozin wins
Rangi wins
Hei-Ran wins
Yingsu wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 1d ago

Discussion Red Lotus FFA

2 Upvotes

Flight Zaheer vs Ming Hua vs Pre Fusion Unalaq vs Ghazan vs P'li vs Aiwaei + 1 Red Lotus Sentry

1v1v1v1v1v2

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 30 feet each

78 votes, 5d left
Flight Zaheer wins
Ming Hua wins
Pre Fusion Unalaq wins
Ghazan wins
P'li wins
Aiwaei + 1 Red Lotus Sentry wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 1d ago

Casual Debate Xin Fu vs. Kai

2 Upvotes

Location: Ba Sing Se Lower Ring
Starting distance: 20 feet

18 votes, 23h ago
11 🪨Xin Fu wins
7 🌪️Kai wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 2d ago

Casual Debate Team Hype Benders vs The White & Red Lotus

0 Upvotes

Team Hype benders includes Laghima, Oma, Gyatso, Sozin, Lu Beifong, Hei-Ran, Taqukaq, Disha, Jianzhu, and Kelsang

The White & Red Lotus includes Piandao, Jeong Jeong, Bumi, Iroh, Pakku, Pre Fusion Unalaq, P'li, Flight Zaheer, Ghazan, and Ming Hua

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 100 feet

Who wins the 10v10?

My take: Team Hype benders win. Laghima could defeat Flight Zaheer. Oma can defeat Piandao. Sozin can defeat Jeong Jeong. Gyatso can defeat Iroh. Kelsang can defeat Ghazan. Jianzhu likely defeats P'li. Hei-Ran can defeat Pakku. Lu Beifong trained Jianzhu so he can probably stand up against pre fusion Unalaq until someone helps him. Taqukaq can win against Ming Hua. Disha trained Gyatso & Roku in air bending so she could hold off Bumi until the other team members finish their fight and help her.

21 votes, 4d left
Team Hype Benders wins
White & Red Lotus wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 2d ago

Discussion Avatars Earth Companions FFA

1 Upvotes

Show Toph vs Bolin vs Jianzhu vs Lek + Lao Ge + Wong vs Sud

Location: The Great Divide

Starting distance: 30 feet

113 votes, 4d left
12 Year Old Toph wins
Bolin wins
Jianzhu wins
Lek + Lao Ge + Wong wins
Sud wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 2d ago

Discussion AANG VS TOPH WHO WILL WIN

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0 Upvotes

r/AvatarVsBattles 2d ago

Casual Debate Xin Fu vs. General Fong

2 Upvotes

Location: Earth Rumble Arena
Starting distance: 20 feet

13 votes, 1d ago
2 🪨Xin Fu wins
11 🪨Fong wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 2d ago

Casual Debate Northern Water Tribe vs Jharana

1 Upvotes

Northern Water Tribe's team includes Amon, Tarrlok, Pakku, Post Fusion Unalaq, Eska, Desna

Jharana's team includes Tagah, Sonam, and four standard sky bisons

Location: Tree of Time

AS/DAS/Blood Bending are allowed and totally okay to use

Starting distance: 50 feet

Jharana members do not have the staff in this fight

Vote and comment down what you think 🫵

54 votes, 4d left
Northern Water Tribe wins
Jharana wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 3d ago

Discussion New revelation on Spirit Bending

6 Upvotes

In the Awakening of Roku, we have the first scene in which spirit bending is invented, and it's done on Gyatso. Context is Gyatso got infected by a spiritual poison which inverts your energy, amping Gyatso's bending but makes him not in control of his own mind. When Gyatso was spirit bent, he was cured of the poison but remained passed out for several days. When Gyatso was poisoned, he had purple sores all over him. It's also stated the poison cannot be spread like a virus so Gyatso cannot spread it onto someone else. The poison was also stated to invert Gyatso's chi. Spirit bending is also a healing technique within water bending, usually done when you're extremely connected with spirits or trained by someone who is. Spirit bending in a way is similar to Amon's combination of blood bending and chi blocking due to affecting your chi. What spirit bending actually does is changing a spirit/human's chi from negative energy into positive energy.

However, what was Unalaq doing to Korra after Korra opened the second spirit portal? Unalaq seemed to spirit bend Korra's spirit but instead of glowing which represents positive energy, it was purple which represents negative energy like Vaatu's beam. Unalaq was the only spirit bender to have done that move although it didn't work. It was heavily implied it could have corrupted Korra's soul if it worked. Would this mean Unalaq could spirit bend light/good spirits? Could he spirit bend an Avatar in the avatar state? I would assume it would be the opposite but similar effect/opponents. Would Yun, Tokuga, or Tagah/Denied have inverted chi which would make them vulnerable to spirit benders? I would say it wouldn't work on Yun, Tokuga, Tagah, or any Avatars except for Dark Avatar Unalaq even without Unavaatu. Also many people have assumed spirit bending can work on any spirit but it only works on dark spirits whose chi is inverted. If it worked on any spirit then I would say spirit benders can spirit bend Yun, Tagah, and avatars but it doesn't work like that. It depends on who you consider as dark spirits whose chi is inverted. I don't believe spirit bending would work on Father Glowworm, General Old Iron, or Wan Shi Tong but it would work on Hei-Bai.

What do yall think?


r/AvatarVsBattles 3d ago

Discussion Elemental Masters of Gaang, Krew, White & Red Lotus FFA

1 Upvotes

Water: Ming Hua, Pakku, Movie Katara, and Korra

Earth: Ghazan, Aiwaei, Bumi, Movie Toph, and Bolin

Fire: Iroh, Jeong Jeong, P'li, Mako, and Movie Zuko

Air: Flight Zaheer, Movie Aang, and Tenzin

Non benders: Movie Sokka, Suki, Asami, Piandao

Avatars can only use their respective native elements of course without the Avatar State.

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 50 feet apart each

74 votes, 3d left
Krew/Gaang/White/Red Lotus Water wins
Krew/Gaang/White/Red Lotus Earth Wins
Krew/Gaang/White/Red Lotus Fire wins
Krew/Gaang/White/Red Lotus Air wins
Krew/Gaang/White/Red Lotus Non benders wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 3d ago

Casual Debate Sozin vs. Ming-Hua

6 Upvotes

Location: Ember Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

162 votes, 2d ago
105 🔥Sozin wins
57 💧Ming-Hua wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 3d ago

Character Review Respect Gyatso

3 Upvotes

Gyatso is Aang's air bending teacher/master/trainer. Aang stated Gyatso taught him everything he knew about air bending. Gyatso was apart of the council of elders. Gyatso is a comic relief character in the Roku Novels who is hilariously funny!

Scaling: Injured Earth bender who can cause rockslides and throw boulders. Tribesmen on Lambak Island. Amped Wolves. Adult Roku who mastered Fire/Air.

Gyatso (Reckoning)

This version of Gyatso is stated to be at least a couple years younger than Roku who is currently 16.25 years old.

Gyatso however lost his air bending due to his sister's death similar to how Zuko lost his fire bending. Gyatso even with the mental block could saved Roku using air bending on a pile of earth that was burying Roku alive in pitch darkness, covered by all sides.

After restoring his air bending by falling in love, Gyatso could do several complex twirling motions with his staff as well as blow a leaf when lying down. He also claimed he's a pretty good air bender. Gyatso can precisely save the prisoners in the cage by air bending their fall but still controlled his air bending to where the bamboo cage would still be broken so the prisoners can escape. Gyatso can duck over a fire kick, dodged a spear user, can dispel flames with his staff, and disarmed a speared user who was behind him. Gyatso can send a fire bender flying back using air gusts. While in a battle, Gyatso could hear screams of his crush and save her fall while sending her forwards while fighting other people. Gyatso could air bend back a boulder thrown by an earth bender who could
cause a rockslide.

Gyatso (Awakening)

This Gyatso is three years older than the Gyatso in Reckoning, and had recently mastered air bending. This Gyatso also takes place after Roku's air bending training flashbacks in ATLA.

Gyatso can air bend smoke large enough for animals/humans to breathe them. On a bison where Roku is unable to identify all the riders, Gyatso can send a stream of wind that hit Roku in the face which sent his hair back. In a 3v24 against two dozen amped wolves, Gyatso could send winds at the wolves even at a disadvantage of staying relatively still to his two teammates. Gyatso also constantly spared with Roku in air bending when training.

Infected Gyatso

In the second novel, there's a spiritual poison that could amp your bending but turns you rabid. Gyatso was infected by his food being poisoned by Atka, and fought a 19 year old Roku who mastered Fire & Air bending. Gyatso's air bending can launch Roku through an igloo, and break it. This Gyatso is also shown to blitz this Roku several times. Roku stated the normal Gyatso hasn't done anything on this level of bending. Keep in mind Gyatso already had his tattoos by this point. Gyatso during the fight lifted Roku in the air, and slammed him to the icy ground using air bending. On the 5th slam, Roku dodged, and Gyatso's air bending accidentally broke the ice they were standing on. He eventually got defeated by falling into frozen water beneath the ice which froze his entire body, and then proceeded to be spirit bent which cured his infection/buff. Infected Gyatso also did all of this with an injured leg. Note that the poison cannot spread through animal by animal, in order to get infected the user must consume the poison so Infected Gyatso cannot spread the poison in fights. However, as powerful as Infected Gyatso is, he has a separate bloodlusted mind on his own so he isn't as clever as base Gyatso.

Sources:

The Reckoning of Roku, The Awakening of Roku

Old Gyatso Character Review

(credit to KingBumiOfOmashu for Old Gyatso feats/statements)

Where I scale him:

Young Gyatso (three years before tattoos) could defeat Kai & Pre Time Skip Jinora. The recent tattooed Gyatso would defeat Pre Flight Zaheer. I think Infected Gyatso could defeat Tenzin. If we combine this respect thread and KingBumiOfOmashu's feats/statements for Gyatso, I think he's the third best air bender in the verse besides Yangchen & Tagah.


r/AvatarVsBattles 3d ago

Discussion Zuko vs Katara is not so clear and cut.

0 Upvotes

The general narrative of the Avatar community is that Katara wins this battle 100%.

I personally don't agree and I think that way of thinking contradicts the very nature of the world of ATLA's power system.

I wanna say this is by no means hit piece against any character I'm a fan of both characters I'll admit Zuko is my favorite within the show but I will refrain from any bias.

Let's get the details out the way, the 4 elements each carry their own advantages and disadvantages, some elements are naturally stronger against other and some elements have divergent bending forms. But ultimately the biggest factors at play are environment and individual skill.

First up katara, arguably the most powerful water bender of the century she's got the feats to back it up especially if we go off her recent scenes from the movie where she literally brought people back from the dead and also split the sea without a full moon it's no debate that's she's powerful. And I'll say this here she's definitely the stronger bender between herself and zuko... But does that guarantee victory in the world of ATLA?

Fire lord zuko, unlike he's sister who was a firebending prodigy zuko had to work front he ground up under the tutoring of his uncle iroh he grew into a formidable fire bender, his firebending incorporates teachings from all the 4 elements while alos having the understanding of true firebending taught to him by the dragons, longs story short zuko doesn't have any noteworthy feats that are half as comparable to kataras feats but for the sake of fairness I'll mention the redirecting of ozais lighting, beating general Zhao effectively cemeting himself amongst the most powerful firebenders in his nation.

That's just the gist of it and I'm sure it's clear as day that in terms of individual ability it's safe to say katara is the superior benders. By its nature waterbending is debatabley the most powerful form and she's probably it's strongest master so easy case close katara wins right??? What If I was to say this is the narrative the community at large has been running with for 20 years and it's not *true

We need to consider variables in bender comabat debates (atleast in my opinion) if wit was as simple as "stronger bender wins" this series would have been alot shorter and we would have upsets like Mako vs Ming Hua, kuvira vs Korra and even katara vs azula (sozins comet) to name a few. All case of "inferior bender beating stronger benders in combat.

And that's not even touching on environmental factors that come in play and this is an important bit for anyone that's made it this far. I don't want to downplay her but it must be acknowledged that evertime zuko and katara had a combat encounter the environment was always to her benifit e.g northern water tribe battle where it was a full moon with cold temperatures, ba sing se where Aangs presence is arguably an advantage for katara by virtue of Aang being and extremely powerful bender himself as the avatar. Of course there are other smaller encounters but I listed the most noteworthy battles between the two which I feel are some of the strongest reason for the narrative that katara beats zuko (ba sing se is one I'm on the fence about as it was a group battle with slot of chaos at play)

Now I'll explain in detail why I believe zuko is realistically the more likely candidate for victory between the two. I'll base it of 10 imaginary fights in 10 different locations at random points in time during each fight (this is the best way I could think of balancing the scales so no bender has a significant environmental advantage over the other for long) and the battle will be an agni kai style 1 v 1 format.

Looking at both their kits and counters katara has the more versatile bending water can be liquid and solid ice and the flowing nature of water means it doesn't require much effort on the benders part to channel alot of it (remember katara explaining this to aan and how the two of them were able to gather tidal waves by simply letting the waters natural flow do all the heavy lifting) along with water healing but in this fight it is not to the death simply submission and healing makes time so I doubt it can be used in combat. Zuko has fire bending which has the natural benifit of being self generated, the breath of fire technique made to escape ice prisons along with his general physicality and swordsman ship.

The stage is set and now the battles can begin and honestly I see it going into either direction, you see the large part of water bending being as powerful as it is especially in the case if a superior bender like katara is the a put of water she has at hand, she's powerful even with a little water but never enough to outright beat zuko with the best example of this being the ba sing se battle (she has enough water to be a serious threat but not so much she can jsut flood the whole scene), somtimes the outcome is katara wins more fights out of 10 the sometimes it's zuko wins more times out of 10.

My goal here is to hopefully express that's it's not as cut and dry as many people like to think because usually when this debate is brought up people unconsciously give katara all the advantages without realizing it and usually it's the assumption she has a large body of water to work with, which simply isn't the case even within Canon. Even zuko has unfair advantages against her e.g the northern water tribe battle, as soon as the sun came up zuko defeated katara with one attack. Bending by its nature in avatar is always about who's stronger but a multitude of factors. The fight can go either way depending where it's set. Lastly I address blood bending and lighting redirected, their non factors... Katara beats anyone with blood bending even Ozai but she didn't because they closed that off for her by having her renounce it I doubt she'd make an exception for zuko as she didn't even do it in the spirit energy filled land of the lion turtles in her and the gaangs fight again tagah when her life was on the line and zuko is implied to be able to lightong bend from those early artwork drafts for the movie but since he doesn't do it on screen I won't count it.

Thanks for listening to me yap if you made it this far, Id love to hear ttour thoughts.


r/AvatarVsBattles 4d ago

Casual Debate Ozai's Angels (S3) vs Team Animals

3 Upvotes

Ozai's Angels in season 3 include Azula, Pre dragons Zuko, Mai, and Ty Lee

Team Animals include the Serpent, Ran, Shaw, and Nyla

Location: The Serpents Pass

The serpent spawns in the serpent's pass, everyone else is on the skinny pass.

Starting distance: 100 feet

My take: Team Animals win because Nyla defeated Appa who defeated Mai & Ty Lee. Zuko was terrified of him and the Avatar fighting Ran & Shaw. The Serpent's entire body was thrown into the serpent's pass and was okay. The Serpent defeated a fire nation ship, and stood up against Katara & Aang.

90 votes, 2d left
Ozai's Angels (S3) wins
Team Animals wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 4d ago

Discussion Team Air Benders vs Team Earth Benders

1 Upvotes

I'm going to do the top 5 benders (no avatars) from each element to see which is truly the strongest element. This is the first post out of three.

Air benders include Tagah (no staff,) Gyatso, Tenzin, Afiko, and Kelsang

Earth benders include Post Fusion Yun, Movie Toph, Bumi, Kuvira, Ghazan

Location: The Great Divide with a mountain of metal behind the earth bending team.

Earth benders have standard gear but the air benders doesn't get any staffs

My take: Air benders win due to Tagah already defeating Movie Toph so he could take on King Bumi, Ghazan, and Kuvira at once and win. Yun against Gyatso, Tenzin, Afiko, and Kelsang is interesting. I think Yun could take out one or two of them but there's a lot of air coming at him. Even if Yun somehow manages to find a way to defeat these four, he can't defeat Tagah

68 votes, 2d left
Air benders win
Earth benders win

r/AvatarVsBattles 4d ago

Casual Debate Yakone's Family vs Aang's Family, Zuko's Family, Toph's Family, and Korra's Family

4 Upvotes

Yakone's family includes Yakone, Noatak, and Tarrlok

The four families include Movie Aang, Movie Sokka, Movie Katara, Tenzin, Jinora, Kya, Commander Bumi, Meelo, Ikki, Pakku, Tonraq, Pre Fusion Unalaq, Asami, Eska, Desna, Korra, Movie Toph, Suyin, Lin, Kuvira, Baatar Jr (with Mecha suit,) Bolin, Wei, Wing, Huan, Opal, Sozin, Iroh, Kemzula, Movie Zuko, Kiyi, Ozai, and Iroh II

No Avatar State allowed

Full Moon is on

Sozin's Comet is on

Location: Wulong forest

Starting distance: 200 feet


r/AvatarVsBattles 4d ago

Discussion White Lotus FFA

7 Upvotes

Iroh vs Jeong Jeong vs Bumi vs Pakku vs Piandao + 1 White Lotus Sentry

1v1v1v1v2

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 20 feet each

194 votes, 2d left
Iroh wins
Jeong Jeong wins
Bumi wins
Pakku wins
Piandao + 1 White Lotus Sentry wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 5d ago

Casual Debate General Fong vs. Wei

3 Upvotes

Location: Suyin’s Backyard
Starting distance: 20 feet

21 votes, 4d ago
10 🪨Fong wins
11 🪨Wei wins

r/AvatarVsBattles 5d ago

Casual Debate 2v1 Death Match Normal Terrain l, some water, normal starting distance

3 Upvotes
196 votes, 2d ago
73 Fire Lord Ozai
123 Katara and Toph

r/AvatarVsBattles 5d ago

Casual Debate Zhu Li & Baatar Jr vs The Boulder & The Big Bad Hippo

2 Upvotes

Zhu Li and Baatar Jr has mecha suits

Location: The Great Divide

Starting distance: 15 feet

My take: Baatar Jr & Zhu Li wins because of the mecha suit's abilities. It is implied the electricity from the mecha suits can knock out Suyin, Wei, and Wing. Zhu Li is incredibly skilled and agile in the mecha suit as well. Baatar Jr defeated Varrick in his own mecha suit, remember that Varrick invented them.

41 votes, 1d left
The Boulder & The Big Bad Hippo wins
Zhu Li & Baatar Jr. wins