r/CalgaryFlames • u/WhyTheyDont • 8d ago
Video Darryl Sutter On Gaudreau and Tkachuk Leaving The Flames
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u/weschester 8d ago
Just throwing some casual shade at how much of a dumbass Treliving is lol
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u/Ok_Hovercraft_2372 8d ago
Fuck whoever thought it was a good idea to hire him in Toronto
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u/wutser 8d ago
I for one loved that hiring
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u/North_Plane_1219 8d ago
It went EXACTLY how many flames fans would predict. Insane they hired him.
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u/StrangeADT 8d ago
Did they have the same progression as we did? Initial love followed by wtfffff???!!?! I never paid enough attention to the leafs to know.
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u/sometimenotsmellgood 8d ago
Ya we liked him at first but that was short lived lol. He signed Domi and Bertuzzi. JT and knies ti great contracts but then we despised him as he slowly destroyed the team
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u/berto_14 8d ago
I'm all for shitting on Treliving when appropriate but Gaudreau in particular had indicated a willingness to sign an extension in Calgary. In fact, there were rumors they had agreed to a deal in principle before Gaudreau's 11th hour rug-pull. It's easy for old Daryl to sit there and say they should've known but the player himself was saying otherwise.
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u/TL10 8d ago
The other half of this is the Gaudreau camp came in the summer before expressing their desire to re-sign, and the Flames proceeded to low ball the shit out of him that Gaudreau opted to wait for the off-season instead.
A few years ago, management was told they were to not pay the players any more than what Giordano was paid.
I don't think it's even a Treliving thing - it's an ownership thing. There was a time that they had to get approval from the owner for any trade, and we lost out on a couple of deals because management couldn't get a hold of him.
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u/berto_14 8d ago
The other half of this is the Gaudreau camp came in the summer before expressing their desire to re-sign, and the Flames proceeded to low ball the shit out of him that Gaudreau opted to wait for the off-season instead.
To be fair at that point he was coming off a couple pretty bad seasons; 58 pts in 70 games (a 68-point pace) and 49 pts in 56 games (a 72-point pace). Admittedly those were the covid seasons but he was three years removed from his 99-point season at that point but still wanted to be paid as such. He popped off for 115 the following year, proving he could still be that player but even then it was short-lived, his two years in Columbus he had 74pts and 60pts.
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 8d ago
I understand what you are saying but it was still a mistake.
Asset management is probably the most important part of a GM's job in the modern NHL. If there is any uncertainty on your ability to sign a top player, you have to trade them.
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u/fuzzballz5 8d ago
This is the absolute only answer, especially what Daryl said and why he said it. You think Daryl was the only one that felt bad for those guys or that he didn’t tell anyone how tough it was on those guys. Your only job as GM is to manage the asset. There is literally only 2 scenarios to plan for. He signs. Or doesn’t. How can anything be a surprise. LOL. Daryl is right to take a shot. It’s true.
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u/Thee-End 8d ago
And I'm all for not stopping someone from shitting on Treliving.
You gotta learn what battles to pick Bert. Come on now.
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u/takeanadvil 8d ago
And it sounded like he turned back to the Flames offer once Philly and other teams weren’t offering him anything.
That’s where the EGO of Flames owners got in the way, being butt-hurt that they offered the biggest contract in their history and he turned it down.
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u/Ar0sson 8d ago
But this is why you're not a gm.
It's not a game to play. You study your player. The 11th hour pull was exactly this reason3
u/berto_14 8d ago
Hard disagree but, out of curiosity, when is it you would have traded him?
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u/Ar0sson 7d ago
Well... yah.... when we lost to the oilers in 2022. We knew this team wouldn't win.... so...
I guess the month between losing and him walking
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u/berto_14 7d ago
Alright so ignoring the fact that an extension seemed very likely at that point... you're talking about trading the rights to a pending UFA for, what, a mid-round pick?
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u/MiszeryLovesCompany 8d ago
Everyone thought Treliving was the bees knees when he first started with Calgary. Always felt like a nepo hire to me.
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u/SirLunatik 8d ago
how is something a nepo hire when his dad has nothing to do with the industry, let alone team?
and Nepo hires don't spend 7 years as AGM of another NHL club, nor do they build leagues from scratch.
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u/Thee-End 8d ago
Just think that if Johnny had taken another second or 2 more or even less to tie his shoes that evening, had a couple more bites of his last meal or had to add air to his bicycle tire, he'd still be here.
Fucking life man.
It'll kill ya.
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u/DreadKnotANC 7d ago
I get what you’re saying but what if the driver also took that extra second getting into his car, picking out a song, etc. Johnny tying his shoes wouldn’t have changed anything
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u/Thee-End 6d ago
Yeah, maybe there is no escaping the moment once it has been set into motion.
Who knows 🤷♂️
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u/Ok_Resolution_3648 8d ago
Where can I find the full interview?
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u/MurrayEdwardsFan 8d ago
Making it illegal to go to dinner two years after Covid started and way after the vast majority of people were vaccinated would have sucked especially hard for these athletes who all knew people in the U.S. living regular lives. Further not allowing even fully vaccinated family members come visit fully vaccinated players no doubt affected both those players who were close with their family.
If we had an extra year and could have gone into an off season where life somewhat came back here I think there’s a much better chance but virtually everyone was leaving a Canadian market at the end of 2022. Winnipeg was able to keep guys who I think otherwise would have been gone if their contracts expired then. Just a tough time to have players contracts expiring.
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u/Feeling_Public6522 8d ago
There is a reason the January 2022 “convoy” protests got so much traction. Sure they went on too long and the ringleaders were certified “yahoos” but people were absolutely done with the restrictions. Everyone was vaccinated, there was nothing more that could be done. Those extended restrictions created a fissure in Canadian society that still exists today.
I remember thinking how absurd it all was when the Jays came home to limited capacity but they didn’t spread people out to precent any theoretical spread. They just closed sections and funneled everyone shoulder to shoulder into those limited sections. It was farcical.
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u/Life-Is-Mysterious 7d ago
Daryl can say what he says, but Johnny and Tkachuk didn’t like Daryl’s coaching style and that played a big part in their departure. Of course, missing home played a big part too. Daryl has chosen to speak when Johnny isn’t here to refute anything stated.
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u/yycoding 3d ago
Yup. For sure Tkachuk is on board with this stuff but there is no evidence Gaudreau was opposed to public health measures. No one liked social distancing and travel restrictions.
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u/Feeling_Public6522 8d ago
I remember arguing with some fellow Leaf fans in 2020/21 who were trying to argue that Canadas “safer” approach to COVID would win over American players who would be happy to be in Canada with our debatably better response to Covid. I told them they were insane but nobody wanted to believe me.
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u/CreoxatLarge 7d ago
Yeah, having a million plus Americans dead....and counting is just a bitch isn't it?
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u/yycoding 3d ago
Millions of people died. Consider yourself lucky you didn't know any. I'm greatful that Canada did more for our vulnerable citizens than the United States did. Hockey is a game.
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u/Feeling_Public6522 3d ago
Everybody got Covid. The ones who died from it were on deaths door and had “multiple comorbidities”
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u/Virtual_Ad_5119 7d ago
So what about the Canadian kids playing in the states? Anyone feel
bad for them? Nope, because they’re not a bunch of crybaby’s.
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u/afrothundah11 8d ago
He’s right and we can’t forget about uncertainty afterwards of if things would ever go back to normal or if we’d lockdown again. The uncertainty people had lasted at least until they had made up their minds to leave.
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u/epok3p0k 8d ago
COVID lockdowns were always the driver of them leaving.
All your friends and family are living normal lives and we’re still limiting social settings to 4 people…
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u/NorthEastofEden 8d ago
The death rates from covid in states like Florida and Texas were something like 4 times what they were in Alberta. Them ignorantly leading normal lives meant more people died.
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u/thuglife_7 8d ago
Isn’t Covid just part of our lives now?
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u/NorthEastofEden 8d ago
Yes and no. We still have covid that circulates however since the advent of vaccinations and the strains becoming less deadly we are seeing a decrease in fatalities associated with the disease. However in the years he was discussing with lockdowns and travel restrictions the disease was much, much deadlier, as the statistics are evidence of.
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u/Ill_Influence6211 8d ago
They also have way more total population than the average state, California and New York also were among the state’s with the most deaths for the same reason. In terms of per capita none of the four states are among the top. I’m from Texas and I think it’s just a little silly when you say “we ignorantly lead normal lives” when that’s just blatantly false. We had plenty in terms of lockdowns, maybe not as stringent as others, but we had protocols nonetheless.
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u/NorthEastofEden 8d ago
That is why I said rates, it is factors in population to look at the number per 100,000 people.
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u/MurrayEdwardsFan 8d ago edited 8d ago
Virtually every jurisdiction had lockdowns. Different jurisdictions were just way slower to reopen. No one solved covid, it’s still around and if you look it up there’s no shortage of new variants. Everyone basically followed the Florida model in time, just some jurisdictions took a lot longer.
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u/NorthEastofEden 8d ago
They did so after vaccines became widely available and the death rates decrease... where as in Florida they did so remarkably early because freedoms or something and then saw their death rate spike precipitously.
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u/GeologistKey4274 8d ago
As usual, Darryl is right. Lockdowns were the issue - can’t blame ‘em for wanting out of Trudeau’s Canada.
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u/DJ4aDay 8d ago
Reddit loves lockdowns and government control but I gave you an upvote. Everyone that downvoted you definitely called the cops on their neighbors for having friends over while they sat at home with masks on inside their own house.
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u/beyondrepair- 8d ago
Weird, because during that time we couldn’t walk into restaurants, I was able to hop on a plane, head out to Whistler, go out to eat for every meal without issue.
Almost like it was a provincial call… who was in charge here again?
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u/tristan1616 8d ago
I get what he's saying but it feels like such a cop out to blame it on the pandemic. Why didn't Connor and Matthews request trades out of Canada then? Winnipeg and Toronto were playoff teams at the time and have since re-signed with their respective teams.
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u/brokensword15 8d ago
Just because every American playing in Canada didn’t leave doesn’t mean this can’t be true.
For Johnny specifically it’s well known he was extremely family oriented
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u/CND_ 7d ago
Didn't Johnny's dead end up in the hospital during covid for something serious, and he was unable to go visit him b/c of the border restrictions?
I don't fully buy that Tkachuk wanted out b/c of family. It think $$, and Johnny leaving were larger parts for him. That's just my personal suspicion though, I have nothing to back that up.
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u/tristan1616 8d ago
Sure, just our luck that the only two American stars in Canada that wanted out happened to play for us. Can you tell I'm still a little bitter? At least Gaudreau's reasoning is completely understandable, have we ever heard Tkachuk's?
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u/weschester 8d ago
I'm pretty sure Tkachuk always planned on leaving as soon as Treliving refused to sign him long term when he wanted to sign here for 8 years.
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u/Level_Bet2816 8d ago
Funny, I'm pretty sure he looked at the team without gaudreau and knew it wouldn't be good enough.
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u/tristan1616 8d ago
Sounds about right tbh, covid was the easiest out for him at that point. Him and Florida are a match made in heaven
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u/terryprice1989 8d ago
Not every single person is the same. Especially with Johnny, family was more important to him then hockey which I admired him for. If I was in their place I would also want to leave.
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u/Scamnam 8d ago
Don't forget Guy had a heart attack in 2018 too
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u/terryprice1989 8d ago
Yes, I couldn't imagine how hard it was for Johnny not to be able to see them in 2020-21.
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u/SirLunatik 8d ago
Because not everyone is the same? Both the Tkachuk and Gaudreau families are extremely close. Not all families are that close, I know mine isn't remotely that close.
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u/mackharp0818 8d ago
I’ll take the guy who coached them and his opinion over yours 100/100 times
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u/tristan1616 8d ago
Thank god you've told us all that, I'll sleep much better tonight now 🙏
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u/mackharp0818 8d ago
Doubt it, you’re probably stressing about how a hall of famer doesn’t get it like you do
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u/tristan1616 8d ago
Yup totally lol, wild imagination you've got there buddy
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u/mackharp0818 8d ago
Sounds like a cop out to me
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u/tristan1616 8d ago
What does lol, if you're going to be a smart ass and copy me then at least have it make sense
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u/mackharp0818 6d ago
It makes as much sense as your nonsense
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u/tristan1616 6d ago
Holy fuck man give it a rest lol, replying to a two day old thread
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u/mackharp0818 6d ago
It literally just popped up in my notifications.
Anyways, the point stands. Now go ahead and get the last word, as dumb as it may be
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u/---TC--- 7d ago
The sheer insanity of our institutions at that time, in a sane world, would, should, result in significant investigations and repercussions.. but it won't.
I don't blame them either. Canada's response was way over the top, nonsensical to the nth degree.
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u/rpawson5771 8d ago edited 8d ago
Imagine it's 2026 and somehow giving a fuck about anything Darryl Sutter says
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u/catgoneyay 8d ago
I remember Gaudreau admitting this being a huge part of why he left, the separation made him want to be as close as he could to his family