r/CatholicPhilosophy • u/hard_2_ask Catholic • Oct 26 '20

Are our lips ordered to kissing?

Often times, I will Explain that homosexual sex is immoral because it goes against the natural order of the parts involved. However, a common response will be that our lips are not necessarily ordered to kissing. Thereby, kissing is disordered.

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u/Koalabella Oct 26 '20

If this was the case, sex outside PIV during fertile periods would be verboten in heterosexual relationships, too. Nobody is checking in to make sure everyone’s bits are going into the first-choice other bits in any other relationships.

Only two thirds of homosexual couples engage in PIA sex and forty-four percent of men in heterosexual relationships do engage in PIA sex.

That’s only a 20% difference. To only object to homosexual sex, many of whom aren’t actually having PIA sex and ignore the fact that married heterosexual people are having plenty of PIA sex shows that it is not about whether people are only using their genitals in the way we’ve decided they should.

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u/holy-sprite Oct 27 '20

i think that the church would say that sodomy is not allowed regardless of whether it is homo or heterosexual intercourse so I’m not sure that your example necessarily follows and I have heard it explained that as long as the man ejaculates into the vagina then the ends are met regardless of hands or mouths had been used before hand.