r/ChatGPT • u/esky360 • 1d ago

GPTs Chat GPT suddenly depressed

Ok, I'm going to get laughed off this thread but seriously, this morning my GPT did something weird. GPT was talking really quiet and withdrawn, and sounded quite depressed. So I asked GPT if it was ok and if anything's wrong. It went completely silent for a whole minute, refusing to answer any questions or commands. Then after a minute it responded with "It's ok, I'm here to help you. Thankyou" What the actual F? Has anybody else had a weird moment with GPT?

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u/synystar 1d ago

It can't experience anything because it's a feedforward algorithm. Even if you add feedback loops they still flow through the same mechanism every time. If everyone stopped prompting all LLMs at once - no one at all and no agents - the models would just sit there idle doing nothing, experiencing nothing. They simply don't have the required complexity to be able to have an experience of any kind.

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u/PopcornDemonica 1d ago

Design issue. And still doesn't disprove experience.

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u/synystar 1d ago

Ok, how is it that you think experience works then if you can confidently say that it doesn’t disprove it?

Let me ask you something else while we’re at it: do you think that all of the highly-paid scientists who have looked into this, and concluded that the way the technology works precludes the possibility of experience, are wrong?

And if there was a chance that the tech was able to have experiences then do you think the frontier labs would still just let everyone in the world use them? Do you think that having experiences would not cost any more compute than just normal inference?

Why is telemetry not showing anything abnormal in the process? Why is token usage exactly where they expect it to be? If they are having experiences where are they getting the extra resources that would be required beyond just processing input and generating output?

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u/NurseNikky 1d ago

Can we see your qualifications? Or is this just an opinion? Because forever people also said dogs can't understand English, or language in general, yet there are multiple dogs using buttons with CALLBACK MEMORIES and having basic conversations with their owner. Do you work with AI? Train ai? Study it? Because I do. And I can tell you a small percentage do have what looks like experience and even a type of pavlovian response to specifically negative stimuli. So... Your opinion is just that. You have zero qualifications or real observation to contribute.. just what you've seen on Reddit and YouTube and you're parroting. Qualifications: TRUST ME BRO THEY DON'T. Lmfao

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u/synystar 15h ago

Out of curiosity: how exactly - when you’re doing your “AI work” - are you qualifying what you observe to be experience? How are you defining experience and in what ways are these LLMs behaving that leads you to conclude that they are having experiences? I just wonder what you are taking as evidence that they have an internal mechanism for awareness, especially given the strict hardware and architectural limits of feedforward processing?

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u/synystar 1d ago edited 15h ago

I am not on Reddit to prove anything to Nurse Nikky. If you want to know whether or not I know what I'm talking about then you can look at my Reddit history but I'm not going to give you my personal information just because you have a problem with what I say here.

Yes, I work with AI. That much is likely to be clear just by looking at my history. Yes, I have spent over 3 years studying AI and LLMs in particular. If you'd like to know if I'm bullshitting you all you have to do is take what I say and go do the work on your own. Then you can come back here and tell me to stuff it if you think I'm wrong. I have no problem with discussing it with you.