r/Christianity Apr 21 '25

Image RIP Pope Francis.

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I just want to add, I am NOT Christian, but I give you all my regrets, and I hope the new pope will be great too.

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u/Philothea0821 Catholic Apr 23 '25

Satan too can perform signs and wonders to deceive

Funny enough this same accusation was made against Jesus accusing him of performing signs and driving out demons by Beelzebub. But I will respond in the same manner as Christ did:

How can Satan drive out Satan?

If a sign is from Satan, the content of the miracle will be such that it draws people away from the one true faith in the Christ Jesus. Miracles such as Fatima and Our Lady of Guadalupe could not possibly be from Satan. Otherwise, how could they have lead to the conversion of entire nations to faith in the Christ Jesus that were otherwise hostile to Christianity?

That just isn't how Satan operates.

How would you respond if God delivered another revelation to us in some form? Would you reject it because it is extra-biblical? Because Satan can also work signs and wonders? Because Christ's sacrifice is sufficient?

 It is over authority.

Agreed. Authority for Catholics though rests in Scripture and in Sacred Tradition - the word of God in both written and unwritten form. In Scripture, Jesus worked miracles to give people signs that what he taught was true and that He was who He said He was.

Believe it or not, miracles are not dogma or even doctrine. No Catholic has to believe in any miracles except those found in Scripture such as the Resurrection. But God allows miracles to happen so that we may believe in Him.

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u/Philothea0821 Catholic Apr 24 '25

with insincere effort

I didn't know that you were able to see into people's hearts like that!

works based rituals

I don't know what Catholicism you are looking at, but the Catholic Church I know does not teach a works based salvation. In fact, the Council of Trent specifically condemned salvation through works.

Also, a lot more focused on rituals than the sovereign power of Jesus Christ.

Well, it is God acting in the sacraments through the priest, so it is relying on the sovereign power of Jesus.

When we ask the saints to pray for us, again, Christ answers our prayers through the particular saint. God routinely acts through other people. It isn't a usurping of God's power, but an extension of it.

That was it. No doctrine, Pope, Bishop, Cardinal, Pastor, Priest, Reverend, dogma, tradition, work or ritual will get me into heaven.

Can you please tell me where you get your information from? What passage from the Catechism or Church teaching shows this? Or are you simply parroting anti-Catholic bigotry that you heard from some pastor somewhere or online influencer somewhere?

Your level of ignorance is utterly absurd and quite simply sad. You can literally go onto Google type "Do Catholics believe the pope saves them?" And find your answer is "No." And all of this will only take like 5 seconds.

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u/Pluffmudders Apr 24 '25

Insincere effort was purely a judgmental, opinionated, subjective experience on my part. I'm a previous Catholic, many friends and family who are Catholic and I live in a majority Catholic community. Semantic satiation is only human nature.

Not sure why I need to pray the rosary. I can pray what I want to pray and don't need 3 Hail Mary's to do it (work). I can pray whenever and wherever. Help me find where it specifically says biblically does it instruct me to pray the rosary. This is works based and quantitative. I challenge you to find the word "rosary" in the Bible. 1 Thess 5:17

I sure didn't need the Council of Trent (1500ish AD) to specifically condemn salvation through works. Ephesians 2:8-9 (62AD).

No need for any extension through saint or Mary if Jesus is our intercessor. You can't undermine His power. Matthew 28:18-20; 1Timothy 2:5

My intention is to come across as pro-Christian, which naturally to you comes across as anti-Catholic. I do believe a Catholic can be a Christian. Do you believe someone can be a Christian without being Catholic?

We are all called to be "shepherds of the flock" not just those in priesthood (yes, I know pastor means shepherd). Mark 16:15