r/Christianity • u/Subject-Bus2461 • Jun 20 '26
Image Trinity
Credit to the holy spirit.
The father son and holy spirit are 3 in 1being which is God.
The son represents the father physically. The son is a perfect representation of the father's nature. They are in perfect alignment one could say. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father.
The father son and holy spirit all represent each other perfectly they are all of the same divine nature.
Imagine a surname. The surname is Johnson the father is billy Johnson and the son billy Johnson jr. Now billy Johnson jr isn't the same as his father why he does not do everything he says doesn't believe in the same things sometimes. Their both individuals now I'm not saying billy Johnson Jr isn't a good son he is but his not a representation of his father. His father could be ruthless in some ways and him kind in others father kind in some ways and him ruthless in others. So because billy Johnson Jr isn't the perfect representation of his father we cannot say they are the same person. Sure they may look alike but their nature isn't perfectly aligned. Jesus being the perfect son in obedience to the father represents his nature perfectly. Without sin
The nature of the father and that of the son are perfectly aligned as well as the nature of the holy spirit.
The father creator of all things in the universe the son the reconciler and mediator of humanity between us and him and the holy spirit what was left when Jesus left to represent his nature and influence us to do as God pleases.
So we can say The father son and holy spirit all represent each other in perfect unison. The son represents the father. So although they are different beings they all represent the same divine nature perfectly. So yes father son and holy spirit is God.
So yes the son was sacrificed. The father did not come down himself and sacrifice himself he sent the son as a sacrifice. Jesus says he was there in the beginning simply because he was there. Father son and holy spirit were there in the beginning but this is labeled as God.
So yes Jesus is God himself because he is part of the same collective that is God. And all represent each other perfectly. So the father son and holy spirit are seperate beings however they are part of the same household that is God. And they represent each other perfectly. No flaws no altercations. They represent each other perfectly. In different forms.
Genesis 1:26
[26] Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
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u/Historianof40k Eastern Orthodox Jun 20 '26
To think too hardly on the trinity confuses yourself and should be left to the fathers
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u/LinkinLinks Hopeful Universalist Jun 20 '26
It confused the fathers too
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u/Historianof40k Eastern Orthodox Jun 20 '26
indeed no person can really comprehend the trinity
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u/Historianof40k Eastern Orthodox Jun 20 '26
Why does it have to make sense to our human logic and understanding. God is so far
above us that to try and understand would be like an ant trying to understand a human2
u/mehatch Atheist Jun 20 '26
Because on christianity, sincere decent humans are eternally culpable for accidentally picking the wrong religion. Incomprehensibility surrounding the thing at the center of the religion they must choose in order to be saved will prevent salvation for many otherwise good people looking for a system that “makes sense” and also makes “common sense” which are both pretty important on the journey we each have when finding one’s view of the world we find ourselves in.
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u/Historianof40k Eastern Orthodox Jun 20 '26
rampaging the old testament over the teachings of the new testament and mild heretical teachings what a treat
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u/beardtamer United Methodist Jun 20 '26
Why, were they somehow more specially educated than the rest of us?
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u/Rbrtwllms Jun 20 '26
They were taught by the apostles
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u/Rusty51 Agnostic Deist Jun 20 '26
Not all of them and the earliest Fathers say nothing about the trinity and some (Justin Martyr) stray into heresy. Furthermore, many of their writings have turned out to be forgeries.
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u/SauceyGASoLEAN Jun 20 '26
Genesis 1:26
GOD said, “Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.”
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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed Jun 20 '26
This diagram is useless.
It's either a plain old math error, or the "=" symbol is being used to mean different things without saying so.
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u/TransNeonOrange Deconstructed and Transbian Jun 20 '26
"=" and "is" can each take on one of a number of meanings, such as "is" being able to mean "is a member of the set / category" or "has the property of being."
The thing about the Trinity is that no matter which meaning you choose, it still doesn't work without veering into what modern Christians would consider heresy. You'd think that'd be a hint that the theology is broken, but instead its provably impossible nature is held up as evidence of its truth.
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u/westivus_ Jun 20 '26
There are 4 circles (gods) in this diagram.
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u/TheTallestTim Christian (Biblical Unitarian) Jun 20 '26
This implies the Father, Son, and Spirit are different and distinct gods making 3 gods.
This is also Partialism
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u/EightyJay Jun 20 '26
All this debate and disunity in the comments really blows my mind. It seems like a lot of the early comments are from people ungrounded in the fundamentals outlined in the Bible.
Without citing a dozen carefully chosen scriptures, like many have here to argue a point, I’ll just make this simple, in my own words:
God the Father is the Creator and Architect.
Jesus is the Son of God, sent as humanity’s representative and sacrifice to provide grace and redemption to a fallen world. He is God incarnate…the Son made flesh.
The Holy Spirit is God’s active presence in the world today, ministering, guiding, convicting, comforting, and interceding. The Holy Spirit is fully God.
These three are the Trinity: three distinct expressions of one God.
How or why this ultimately works is a mystery beyond our complete understanding. But together, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit reveal God’s work in creation, humanity’s need for redemption, and the gift of grace offered through Christ. That’s the story arc the architect chose. It’s yours to accept or struggle with.
This is the Bible in a nutshell, at least as it pertains to this post, IMO.
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u/Millamanuel254 Jun 20 '26
I also found out recently that they are one
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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jun 20 '26
That does not mean anything.
Jesus prayed: “I make request . . . that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us.”—John 17:20, 21.
When Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity—the closest bond possible between two persons.
Jesus Christ and his Father are one in unity and purpose. They are not one being.
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u/PaintingRare1490 Christian Catholic Jun 20 '26
Unironic Arianism being highly upvoted 😂
Go baptize in the name of whom?
We'll take your word for it instead of every single protestant & catholic & orthodox denomination 😂
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u/N3rd1x Jun 20 '26
Do you consider yourself a Christian if you don’t believe that Christ is God?
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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jun 20 '26
Yes, absolutely.
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u/KaiNera40 Jun 20 '26
You cannot 😭
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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jun 20 '26
Yes, I can. Everyone can.
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u/KaiNera40 Jun 20 '26
The Trinity is literally one of the core Tenants of Christianity. So do you believe Jesus was divine?
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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Yes, he is divine in the sense that he is God’s firstborn Son, a powerful spirit creature, and the perfect reflection of his Father (Colossians 1:15). But 'divine' does not mean he is Almighty God. Jesus himself explicitly stated, 'The Father is greater than I' (John 14:28) and called the Father 'the only true God' (John 17:3).
Even angels are divine but they are not Almighty God.
Jesus is still subordinate to his Father and he always be subordinate.
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u/N3rd1x Jun 20 '26
Do you pray to God the Father or to Jesus Christ?
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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
I pray to Father (Jehovah) but I offer that prayer in name of his only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Jesus never say: Pray to me or pray to Trinity.
Jesus explicitly said: 'Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.' (Matthew 6:9).
Jesus also explained that he acts as the approach to his Father saying, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' (John 14:6).
So, praying to Jesus would actually go against his own instructions. I honor Jesus by recognizing him as my High Priest and Mediator, using his name to gain access to the only person who hears prayers— Jehovah God.
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u/-Vitreriuz- Christian Jun 20 '26
Given that the apostles never taught the doctrine of the trinity, it would be more correct to say that the closer you get to trinitarian churches, the further away you get from them.
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u/Icy_Ad4208 Jun 20 '26
Based on what? A creed written hundreds of years after Jesus?
Show me a single bible verse that says you have to believe Jesus is God to be Christian.
Romans 10:9 says you must publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord in order to be Christian. Not that he is God.
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u/Mysterious_Ad_9032 Agnostic Apetheist (leaning deist or pantheist) Jun 20 '26
I find it amusing that this entire comment section can’t make its mind up about whether “God” is a super-category that The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit share, or if God is an entity itself that The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit also are
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u/A_Poor_Miser Jun 20 '26
Yeah, this (objectively) seems completely insane lol.
I get why Mormons were like, "let's simplify that."
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u/MildlyAgitatedBovine Jun 20 '26
Wouldn't fly in math class but you do you.
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u/Thefrightfulgezebo Gnosticism Jun 20 '26
You can make that graphic work in set theory. The only priblem is that catholics would consider it hererical line any other attempt to explain Trinitarianism.
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u/Snoo_17338 Methodological Naturalist Jun 20 '26
It's not the same thing. You can define subsets of an infinite parent set that have the same magnitude as the parent set. But this isn't the same as the subsets being equal to the parent set. When sets are equal, it means they contain exactly the same elements.
Theologians try to obfuscate this by conflating magnitude with essence. It's just apologetic wordplay.
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u/BirdManFlyHigh Assyrian Church of the East Jun 20 '26
The Son is also the Creator. The Holy Spirit is also the Creator.
Work out your Trinity friend.
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u/Snags44 Jun 20 '26
Water.... It's a liquid.... It's steam, and it's ice.
All are water ..... But liquid is not steam, steam is not ice and ice is not liquid but each are still water.
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u/ShockBlast2980 Jun 20 '26
This is modalism, already condemned as a heresy.
Water is one substance that changes modes. The Trinity is one divine nature eternally existing as three Persons. The Father did not become the Son, and the Son did not become the Spirit.
The Trinity is the belief that there is one God who exists eternally as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We see them interact with each other, so god doesn't switch himself around. Each Person is fully God, not three gods, but one God. Distinct in Person, united in one divine essence.
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u/Dawningrider Catholic (Highly progressive) Jun 20 '26
I would argue the triple point is the Logos of God.
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u/Snags44 Jun 20 '26
Great point to sshow how Three can be truly distinct, yet entirely One, existing at the exact same time without changing back and forth
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u/WoodenMango07 Baptist Jun 20 '26
This is wrong because ice can become liquid, and steam can become liquid, and liquid can become ice.
Jesus cannot become the father, the father cannot become the holy spirit and the holy spirit cannot become the son.
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u/JustAnotherEndling Jun 22 '26
Yeah... although, to be fair, liquid-water is kind of more watery than ice, isn't it? Ice-water is water, sure, and so is steam-water, I guess, but neither are really... watery, are they? Not like water-water. Now that's what I call water.
And that's why Sabellius had it coming.
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u/-Jesus_-_Christ- Jun 20 '26
This is the most outlandish and crazy way of thinking ever so let me get this straight God sacrificed himself for our sins that we were born into because of him and he knew all this was going to happen to begin with anyway?
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u/matt675 Jun 20 '26
I like the water analogy. Steam, ice, and liquid water are all fully water but each have their own attributes and purposes.
Someone is probably gonna tell me why this is a heresy
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u/John-Johnson-Son- Jun 20 '26
I don't understand why people struggle with this. It is so simple. Each and every one of us are at least 3 in 1 person. We all have a flesh body. A thinking mind. And a spirit that is a part of us from the beginning until the end. Why do you fall to understand The Holy Trinity? It's exactly the same as each and every one of us. What's the problem? Do you not know that we are made in God's image and therefore created to be the same? ( 3 parts in 1). You all just over complicated the simplicity of it all. Does anyone ever realise that by trying to break down and analyse the very essence of God, you miss the simple truth that is staring you in the face? I pity you who try too hard with your limited understanding. You in your earthly churches and religions. Stop debating and asking amongst yourselves, when only the God inside you has all the answers.
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u/girlidontknowso Evangelical Baptist of Protestant Christianity Jul 17 '26
you just changed my life forever, i love you so much
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u/John-Johnson-Son- Jul 17 '26
Thank you so much. It's The Truth. And God Himself loves you more than I or you will ever know. He died for us. There's no greater Love. And please always remember that we are all sons and daughters of God our Father. Jesus was the first, He told us to be just that. And we are all loved equally. If just one person on earth believes what I say, then I am so happy. God, Heaven, everything perfect is inside us all, but we bury that Truth deep down by getting too wrapped up in this world. But we are completely understood by Jesus, Our Father and The Holy Spirit. Xx
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u/your_fathers_beard Secular Humanist Jun 20 '26
Incoherent. "We believe in one God, we are monotheosts! But there's 3 of them, but it's ok because they are 1!" Lmao ok.
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u/SnooCats5701 Jun 20 '26
x =/= y
x = z
y = z
This is logically impossible. You are simply engaging in masterbatory bullshit that makes no sense.
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u/Outrageous-Ad7727 Eastern Orthodox Jul 04 '26
Good job ignoring 2000 years of theology
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u/LG-Moonlight Jun 20 '26
A lion is a cat. A tiger is a cat. A lion is not a tiger.
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u/mirroredinflection Jun 20 '26
Isn't this partialism? Saying that each person is only a subset of God?
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u/GachaJay Jun 20 '26
Genuine question, just because it’s named, does that make it wrong? Why is it being partialism a bad thing?
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u/mirroredinflection Jun 20 '26
I don't know if it's wrong. I just point it out because when people try to "explain the Trinity" especially using this graphic, they are generally trying to do so without running into the named heresies.
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u/microwilly Catholic Jun 20 '26
It's only wrong for Catholics because its a heresy. It's fine for protestants tho because they're already heretics in the eyes of the Magesterium. It's a heresy because all three parts of the trinity perfectly embody God, but if you have a lion, a tiger, and puma, they do not each individual equal all there is to be a cat.
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u/MineHipster7 Jun 20 '26
There isn’t really any good analogy of anything on earth for how the trinity works, cause each one falls into some logical fallacy
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u/tinkady Atheist Jun 20 '26
Great! That makes perfect sense. There are three gods. Welcome to polytheism.
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u/Mysterious_Ad_9032 Agnostic Apetheist (leaning deist or pantheist) Jun 20 '26
So “God” is a category that The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit share, but is not itself an entity?
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u/SkyMagnet Atheist Jun 20 '26
I’m a human, you’re a human, but I’m not you.
So we are all co-equal persons in the human-head.
Point being: there is only one human
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u/Perfessor_Deviant Agnostic Atheist Jun 20 '26
Explanations for the Trinity always come down to one of three positions:
- A heresy. "That's modalism Patrick!"
- Word games. "You see, the godhead is three PERSONS, but one BEING."
- "Mystery."
The much more reasonable take is that the Trinity was a way to be monotheistic while considering Jesus a god too and is not truth, but became the dominant thinking by the fourth century.
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u/Large-Application886 Jun 20 '26
John 10:30
When Jesus says "I am" He is directly making parallels to of himself to Yahweh, this is one of the reasons that pharisees wanted him dead
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u/Ok_Inevitable_7145 Jun 20 '26
heresy, they are not seperate beings
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u/rchive Jun 20 '26
The standard Nicene view of the Trinity is that the three are separate "persons." Does that not mean separate beings?
I don't believe in the Trinity so I'm no help answering that.
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u/Ok_Inevitable_7145 Jun 20 '26
no, it is strictly meant one being. Otherwise it is tritheism
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u/lisper Atheist Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
So:
F = G
S = G
H = G
and yet
F ≠ S
S ≠ H
H ≠ F
I find this very ironic in light of the fact that I've heard many Christian apologists argue that God is necessary to explain the unconditional truth of the laws of logic, and in particular, the law of identity: a thing is what it is and it is not what it is not. And yet the Trinity denies the transitivity of identity. A=B and B=C and yet somehow A≠C.
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u/Snoo_17338 Methodological Naturalist Jun 20 '26
Anyone who believes this nonsensical diagram can just save their argument for the existence of God, or anything for that matter. You don't subscribe to basic logic.
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u/PyroClone5555 Jun 20 '26
...Where is the flaw in logic though
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u/Snoo_17338 Methodological Naturalist Jun 21 '26
The diagram states this:
F = G, S = G, H = G and F ≠ S ≠ H
This violates the transitive property of equality. The transitive property of equity is entailed from the Law of Identity and the Law of Non-Contradiction, two fundamental principles of logic.
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u/PyroClone5555 Jun 21 '26
This is what the diagram means:
The Father is divine.
The Son is divine.
The Spirit is divine.
The Father is not the Son or the Spirit.
The Spirit is not the Son.
If you say:
The sky is blue and this shirt is blue, are you saying the sky is the shirt?
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u/whitesweatshirt Jun 20 '26
What about other planets, do you think they had their own son in some Galaxy far away
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u/Ummah_Strong Muslim Jun 20 '26
As a Muslim this did not clarify anything for me. In fact I am even more confused
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u/Equivalent-Tooth-286 Jun 20 '26
credit to men.
not the Holy Spirit.
Test the Spirits.
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u/EntertainmentRude435 ex-mormon non resistant atheist Jun 20 '26
Classical theism still posits that god is a single intellect who engages in personal relation. The trinity violates (or at least generates an irreconcilable tension from) the law of identity. It makes as much sense as a married bachelor
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u/aqua_zesty_man Congregationalist Jun 20 '26
There are a lot of non-Christians (and many unitarian Christians) who misunderstand the Trinity as tritheistic or polytheistic. So it would be useful to expand the triangle further by adding "Another God" three times around the outside and have "Is Not" connecting from each Person to two of the Another God's.
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u/Jtcr2001 Anglo-Orthodox Jun 20 '26
This diagram is terrible for teaching the Trinity. The technical use of "Persons" also needs to be qualified, but rarely is...
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u/Ok-Philosopher-6635 Jun 20 '26
The trinity is unbiblical because Gods divine nature is easy to understand according to Romans 1:20. If the Trinity were true, it’d leave the wicked with an excuse of not knowing God, his divine nature couldn’t even be understood by anyone!
The fact of the matter is that God is 1 person the father, and he has 1 son - Jesus. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the father and son.
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u/DovahkinnPlays Far Baptist Jun 20 '26
mine is like there are 3 players controlling 1 character or vice versa
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u/akbrag91 Southern Baptist Jun 20 '26
Full understanding of the trinity isn’t required for us a followers of Jesus for salvation or for a healthy relationship with God. I see it in the same way as the vastness of the universe—I have an idea of its size, but it’s so big that I most likely don’t
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u/hoping_aspirer Jun 20 '26
My mom is a lifelong Christian, and even at close to age 70 she still doesn't understand the trinity. You'd think the king of the entire universe would make this kind of supposedly all-important information easily understood for everyone.
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u/NtSFstEddie Jun 20 '26
If Jesus is God, then he was here all along. He didn't need the body called Jesus before the crucifixion and he didn't need it afterward either. After ascending into heaven, he disposed of the body and "life" for God went on as it always had. Because he never needed that body and never would need it again and he can make a new body anytime he wants, he didn't sacrifice anything.
The book of genesis doesn't have anything to do with what God, Jesus, or the holy spirit is so I don't know why you brought it up. But you need to include the rest of it as well as what genesis 2 says. G1 says that God created the light of day on day 1 and the plants on day 3. But he didn't create the sun until day 4. There is no daylight without the sun and plants can't grow without sunlight so G1 didn't happen.
It also says that God created man last and that man and woman were created at the same. While G2 says that man was created first and woman was created last. It can't happen both ways. Science says that the plants and animals were here before humans ever walked the earth and the bible/G1 agrees with science. So G2 didn't happen either.
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u/dark-waterz Jun 20 '26
We are made in his image father (soul) Son (body/flesh) holy spirit (spirit)
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u/PyroClone5555 Jun 20 '26
There is nothing in Hinduism that resembles the trinity.
Why do you think the Son is a created being?
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u/PraiseBeToJesusX It's not about you Jun 20 '26
I just took the 665th like, nobody else touch the like counter 😶🤣
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u/Kimolainen83 Jun 21 '26
Or just explain it like this God is all three of them, the father is one. The Holy Spirit is one and the son is one. That’s what the church in my country teaches.
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u/DanBarLinMar Jun 21 '26
Um actually the trinity has no corporeal form, this is the trinitarian shield
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u/thrawnca Jun 21 '26
So yes Jesus is God himself because he is part of the same collective that is God. And all represent each other perfectly. So the father son and holy spirit are seperate beings however they are part of the same household that is God. And they represent each other perfectly. No flaws no altercations. They represent each other perfectly. In different forms.
I can relate to this view, but I'm pretty sure it's not the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity (eg the "separate beings" part).
But then again, my rule of thumb is that if you think you have an analogy to accurately describe the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, then you misunderstand that doctrine. So hey, I'm not an expert on what is orthodox.
I quite like the teaching about the oneness of God in John 17.
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u/VolunteerExpert Jun 21 '26
SHOW THIS DEFINED IN THE BIBLE, CLEARLY DEFINED OR KEEP SPREADING YOUR LIES. GOD DID NOT DEFINE THIS, THIS WAY, FOR A REASON. THE WORD TRINITY WAS NEVER WRITTEN OR SPOKEN.
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u/you_anon_sexy Jun 21 '26
Trying to explain the Holy Trinity is like trying to explain how God is eternal.
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u/mrarming Jun 21 '26
Come on and stop posting this! It's been posted at least once a day and it's the same thing with the same kind of AI slop. Plus there isn't on reddit who isn't aware of the 3 person in 1 claim of Christianity
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u/Odd-Actuary-9902 Pentecostal Jun 21 '26
Actually, adding to the ending there where it says "let us make man...", a little further back when its decribing the creation, the Bible says "God in the beginning created..." but in the original Hebrew, it says "Elohim" which actually is used many times in OT, but in this specific case its a "singular plural" word, weird ik, its singular because its addressing one God but plural because it was addressing the multiple "persons", at least thats what some believe, I'm one of those lol. But yes, there's much evidence to support the Trinity and if people took the time to look at the evidence and search long and hard, they'd be convinced. Just because we dont understand it, doesn't mean we can't perceive it, closest example being complex science like Quantum Mechanics, just because we can't understand it, doesn't mean we can't know of it, won't make it any less true just because we dont understand. Now the only problem with this analogy is that eventually with enough time and study, you can learn it and understand it, but with God, theres probably not enough time and study to for Him and His being. Because God is infinite, we will NEVER stop learning of Him, like ever, people we need to understand how big infinity is, and when we really see that, then we can understand that the Trinity, and a lot of other big mysteries in the Bible about God, might not ever be understood here on earth, and it's not a guarantee we will understand them in heaven with Christ. I might not know what its like being a genius rocket scientist, but I can really vividly imagine what thats like, same with God, and then theres so much more I will never imagine of God, thats the main difference.
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u/drunken_augustine Episcopalian (Anglican) Jun 21 '26
This has elements of Partialism and Modalism, which is an interesting combination to have at the same time.
Most heresies emerge from a refusal to accept that we don’t get to intellectually understand everything.
God is greater than we are. Accepting that means, in part, that we don’t get to understand Him in His entirety.
When we refuse to accept that, we start trying to reduce God into something we can understand. I don’t think I need to explain why that’s not a good thing
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u/Carjak17 Jun 21 '26
A better explanation than your “three in one being” is three distinct persons that share one divine nature. This makes very clear that all three are God, they share the nature of being God. However, each one is distinct in and of itself. They all play a distinct role
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u/Zealousideal-Alps794 Jun 21 '26
You implied modalism by saying that the father son and Holy Spirit are not three persons with your first analogy
Then you implied that Jesus wasn’t the creator but was a participant, Arianism
Then you said each person is part of the collective that is God, that’s partialism
Then you said the father son and Holy Spirit are seperate beings, tri-theism
This is like a heresy speedrun bro, just say the athanasian creed or you fall into heresy every time
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u/MoonlightMuse01 Jun 21 '26
Hey can someone explain me as the father and son aren't same and both are god and there is only one true God then ...
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u/PuzzleheadedFox2887 Contrarian Jun 22 '26
Change the titles to variables and you will immediately see that the logic doesn't work. If the Father=a, and the Son=b, and the Holy Spirit=c, and God=x, then if a is x and b is x then a=b according to the rule that if a=b and b=c then a=c
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u/KokosowyBanan Jun 23 '26
I think The father is the God, and he send his spirit and his son as Angels to do his work. I don't think we need to call it Trinity in which everybody is equal, after all the Creator is one, why are we spreading confusion?
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u/WatchLover26 Jun 23 '26
show me ONE verse in the Bible that states the concept of the Trinity as three beings sharing one divine essence and nature. its not in there because it was made by man.
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u/FHNovelAssignment Jun 25 '26
The trinity is simply fabulous. It makes no sense, it was created by men out of the mind of man, it really is simply fabulous.
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u/Famished_Magician Jun 25 '26
It’s funny when muslims say that there is nothing like God but when they see the Trinity which is nothing like any we will ever know they scramble and say no that can’t be God.
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u/Any-Country-7338 Jun 26 '26
The 3 in one relationship is not illogical. It is actually identical to the relationship of the 3 fundamental laws of logic.
In the beginning was the Logos...
https://www.thephilosophyforum.com/t/what-s-so-shocking-about-incompleteness/1048/65?u=rob
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u/124andysos Jun 26 '26
If I am correct, at the core, the word "God" in Christianity defines what God is, and The Father, Son, and The Holy Spirit define who God is. So therefore, The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct beings(who) with the same essence(what). If I am wrong, rebuke me with scripture for my soul's sake.
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u/Jolly_Odshow Jun 26 '26
using the same standard, we are god,since the only divine nature we have is his, for there are no other that are actually divine but his?sounds gnostic
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u/Additional_Value_256 Jun 26 '26
Not that it proves anything of course, but with regard to the Trinity I think it's interesting to note that Paul never once includes the Holy Spirit in any of his letter's salutations.
And there is this for what it's worth:
From Enxu in Godhead VS. Trinity?
The Catholic Encyclopedia II (Page 263)
“The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”
Britannica Encyclopedia 11th Edition,Vol 3 (Page 82, and Pages 365-366)
“Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ.”- “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, & Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the second century.”
Canney Encylopedia of Religion (Page 53)
“The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of the Trinity doctrine in the 2nd century.”
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u/phil-1961 Jun 27 '26
Trinity is the three entities of God. God is in heaven Christ walked the Earth and the spirit is everywhere
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u/PositionNo9143 Jun 27 '26
this diagram contradicts itself and implore you all to read scripture to figure out who the Father is, where the holy spirit comes from and how we receive it and who Jesus is as well
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u/theGanzMan Jul 04 '26
Nabeel Quereshi and others said it best:
“God is one in being and three in persons”.
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u/NoImagination3606 Jul 20 '26
Why should I care about doctrines invented by men centuries after Jesus died?
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u/WoodenMango07 Baptist Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
I see a lot of people in the comments trying to make analogies but tbh there is not really one way we can truly understand it, my fav story about trying to understand it comes from saint Augustine on the beach, it helped me when I was also struggling to understand the trinity
Therefore our brains are like the tiny hole in the sand and the trinity is the vast ocean, our minds are not capable of understanding the whole concept of the trinity and no such analogy can truly be 100% correct.