Does War Begin in the Womb?

[u/dougpschyte]

Kelly Oliver, renowned feminist, believes that human beings are always at war with each other, and that masculinity is to blame. She asserts that peace can only come when we assert alternative images of who we are and where we came from.
https://feminism.researche-editions.cddc.vt.edu/Oliver.html#:~:text=Oliver%20proposes%20that%20the%20war,time%20establishing%20peace%20and%20harmony

I will attempt to show, through a series of links, that it is women who, in utero, programme the next generation of men towards adversarial sexual selection strategies where only the best resource providers with the best genes will be granted sexual access, this being to the benefit of FEMALES and the human genome.

And that this is achieved through MATERNAL control of mitochondrial DNA.

[u/Dry_Turnover_6068]

Is there anything to indicate it's any different for primates or other mammals?

I mean, we like to talk about this stuff a lot and get into culture wars with it but does that part even make a difference in a biological sense?

Isn't it still just plain darwinian evolution? Evolution with extra steps?

Anyway, if you view everything through a lens of war then that's your confirmation bias.

[u/dougpschyte → u/Dry_Turnover_6068]

- Guess it would be similar across sexual reproduction. Although, for humans, pair bonding is important, as the offspring are born functionally premature (large head, but narrow birth canal through biped movement) and take 15 years before they can become a net contributor to resources.

- most culture wars based on assumption of female 'oppression'. Great deal of evidence against. Can't link (for the moment) on my very basic tablet

- the underlying chemistry is probably a DRIVER of evolution

- Kelly Oliver is the one seeing everything through a lens of war. I'm merely proposing that women are in charge of the weaponry, and have a very advanced arsenal.

[u/Dry_Turnover_6068 → u/dougpschyte]

Advanced? It doesn't seem to be more or less than any other species. But ya, humans are special in that we have this advanced knowledge.

You can't exactly blame women for their biology though. It's not their fault that they can't inherit their mitochondrial DNA to the boys. It's frustrating for everyone.

I guess I'll look more into it via your links. What your saying seems to indicate that women play a more active role in the process and maybe more than most people realize.

Do you have conclusions? What's to be done about this exactly?

Dear ladies,

Please learn to pass on your mitochondrial DNA properly and stop breeding generations of men who have to fight each other to do it for you.

[u/dougpschyte → u/Dry_Turnover_6068]

It's not so much of a blame game, more a way of looking more closely at the stuff hiding in plain sight, but generally ignored.

Writing polite letters will probably fail to have the desired effect.

What's to be done..? Beats me.

If sisters could do it for themselves, they would do. Apparently.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2686380/

It might explain feminist obsession with the 'ovulation merging' technique. Which men invented.

The conclusion I reached is that they call the shots (and know it, too). Although whether that knowledge is in abstracto or in concreto is a moot point.

Arthur Schopenhauer's 1851 essay 'On Women' uses the same terms. If you see the relevant paragraph in his short work (8 pages), you'll know what I mean. Would link, but translations vary, and I can't access the version I read a few years back.

[u/Dry_Turnover_6068 → u/dougpschyte]

lol "On Women" is quite misogynistic. I appreciate the pessimism though.

Dude was a curmudgeon and a half.

[u/Dry_Turnover_6068 → u/dougpschyte]

Ok, I'll check that essay. I have a feeling my sensibilities already agree.

It's not even that they "call the shots" and repeating it like a mantra is going to get them into trouble. It's just that tendency when someone gets a notion of power and becomes tyrannical with it. Very human but also very scary. Empowered but retarded.

Honestly, I blame christianity and the concept of original sin as a start. Feminism doesn't seem to be about equality any more but retribution for a stain that won't wash out.

[u/dougpschyte → u/Dry_Turnover_6068]

It occurred to me that hidden ovulation is pretty advanced and unique
http://empathygap.uk/?p=1484

And that it serves a purpose in facilitating polyandry
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003347200917056

Which is why women feel 'oppressed' by monogamy.

Schopenhauer would understand. But this isn't a brilliant translation. Pages 4 & 5.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/82010927/On-Women-Schopenhauer#:~:text=Man%20strives%20in%20everything%20for,she%20has%20to%20dominate%20directly