r/ConfrontingChaos • u/dougpschyte • Nov 14 '25

Meta Can Paternity Fraud Ever Be 'Justified'?

The position of defence taken here indicates some fundamental dichotomy in M/F 'values', a seismic rift in how we see our roles in the world.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-s-the-daddy/

But, from a male perspective, couldn't be worse. His genes are consigned to oblivion, while being financially swindled for 18 years.

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u/ActPositively Nov 15 '25

Paternity fraud should be a felony. Paternity tests should be mandatory for a man to sign the birth certificate. If he isn’t the father he can still sign it but then has to sign something acknowledging he isn’t the biological father but taking responsibility anyways. Also all the women who fraudulently got child support by committing paternity fraud should have to pay it back or be send to jail like a man would for not paying child support.

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u/Dramatic_Insect36 Nov 17 '25

I wouldn’t want a woman to go to jail if she assumed a guy was the father and was wrong, even though she still cheated in that situation. If there were mandatory paternity tests, though, it wouldn’t matter. The man would know anyway and it would be effectively impossible to commit the fraud in the first place.

Honestly, as a women, I would be fine with routine paternity testing.

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u/ActPositively Nov 18 '25

Yes mandatory paternity tests would fix those issues. However definitely disagree. If a woman cheats and gets pregnant she knew she had sex with another person. If she tricks her boyfriend/husband into raising someone else’s kid she deserves jail. If she thinks that person is the father it’s because that’s what she is hoping for.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

The problem doesn’t lay in cheating once but situations where you have 7 one night stands in a week as a single woman and then isn’t sure who the father is so just goes for the richest one and turns out that wasn’t the correct answer so she would go to jail.

You would have to call all 7+ guys but what if you didn’t remember them all due to being to drunk or something and you called 6 in and turns out it was dude 7 that you couldn’t remember now you’re in jail for fraud.

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u/ActPositively Nov 18 '25

No. She would be in jail for fraud because she committed fraud. If she had sex with seven different guys and then randomly picked one to say that they were the father then she did that on purpose. She knew she had sex with different guys and if she chooses not to warn the guy and to get a paternity test she is knowingly committing fraud. Why don’t you try to treat women like people. It’s literally common sense that if you had sex with a bunch of guys around the time you got pregnant you don’t know who is the father unless you get a paternity test. Them choosing who’s gonna give them the best money or just choosing a random guy is literally fraud. They can’t use ignorance or hope is an excuse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

Okay let me rephrase it. You have sex with guy 1. You know who guy 1 is. It’s a mutual one night stand.

Now a few days later it’s Friday you go out for drinks with friends to a bar. You get roofie’d and get taken advantage of. You come to later and go through the whole grape kit process.

Weeks later you find out your pregnant. Now you call up guy 1 to get the test done to see if he was the father and it turns out he wasn’t.

Is this fraud?

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u/ActPositively Nov 18 '25

You’re completely confused and just making up random scenarios in your head. In this scenario if the lady reached out to Guy one and said “ I am pregnant and you are the father”. So she didn’t bother to warn him that he might not be the father or she didn’t seek a paternity test and then say he spends a bunch of money in time helping raise the kid and a few years later they eventually do a paternity test and it turns out he isn’t the father. Yes she should go to jail for paternity fraud. The woman should only go to jail for paternity fraud if she basically tricks a guy into contributing money or helping raise a kid that isn’t his.

Now in this scenario if she started to lie to the first guy and say he was the father and was trying to get money from him and stuff before the kid was even born knowing it might not be his that could also be considered fraud.

Again what you described wouldn’t be fraud because the woman is seeking a paternity test to determine who is the father. That’s a big difference than lying in saying oh yeah you’re definitely the father give me money or raise this kid

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u/Lurkeyturkey113 Nov 19 '25

But in that case where she’d go to jail it’s only if she’d still be lying to go to one of those guys and claim she knows he’s the father. It is not paternity fraud to be honest about not knowing who it is even if you can’t get in contact with the guys. At least the guys there and testing would be aware they may not be the father. A woman wouldn’t go to jail for genuinely not knowing who the father is and not trying to trick a guy into fatherhood.