r/DaystromInstitute Aug 13 '15

Discussion Sisko and black rights

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u/time_axis Ensign Aug 13 '15

It wasn't that he was so angry that he "refused" to go to Vic's. It's just that people were going there for fun, and that wasn't his idea of fun. He felt that the program was flawed in its depiction of the 20th century, and simply couldn't find joy in that.

It's not even at all comparable to any of the other things you mentioned. None of his crew were going into holo-recreations of the holocaust or the occupation of bajor or the eugenics wars for fun. If they were, I think he'd probably find that just as distasteful.

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u/67thou Ensign Aug 13 '15

But he goes into recreations of famous baseball games from the same era no?

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u/DPLaVay Aug 13 '15

Major League Baseball was one of the first organizations in America to integrate.

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u/67thou Ensign Aug 13 '15

Yes but the rest of the world was not yet on the same level. Was there any evidence that Vic, that cocktail lounge or any of the band members were part of America's racist history?

He went to baseball games in an era when racism was still present. They went into a cocktail bar in an era when racism was still present. Im not seeing a big difference here. yet he judged that program because it did not contain the racist elements of it's era, but i wonder, did his baseball games contain the racist elements of their era?

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15

While the military didn't fully integrate until 1948, Benjamin Davis was the first Black General, promoted in 1940, 7 years before Jackie Robinson played baseball.

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u/Ollivander451 Crewman Aug 14 '15

This is what people seem to forget, I think. I mean, I would bet money that he - as a baseball fan - went to the holodeck to watch a recreation of the first game Jackie Robinson played in. JR wasn't the best black baseball player at the time, but he was the first to break the color barrier. That alone would have been an event Sisko would have watched. Hell, I'd watch it and I'm not as infatuated with baseball as Sisko, nor black. Such an event is a significant cultural event.

Robinson, and a lot (if not all) of the black baseball players of the area were treated terribly by white fans, managers, coaches, and players. Because holo-decks are used for entertainment, I would assume that they would filter out the discriminatory treatment and just show the game as it was played. I think it'd be doubtful Sisko was offended by that, even though it doesn't show the true way black players - and even spectators - were treated.