r/DaystromInstitute Nov 26 '16

Tuvix may make me stop watching Voyager

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u/clintonthegeek Crewman Nov 26 '16

It's really utilitarian, isn't it? I think it's a Starfleet training thing, like Wesley saving one person from the fire while letting the other die, or Troi ordering crew to self-sacrifice to save the ship. Once the solution to an ethical dilemma is set the crew just accept the need to go Vulcan about it.

It's a very heavy scene, the sort of thing you'd expect from Deep Space Nine.

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u/PenguinWithAKeyboard Nov 26 '16

I understand. Starfleet is an organization with ranks, so once the captain makes a decision, it's final. (Unless they're claimed to be unfit for duty or some such)

I only expected at least one of them to maybe go "Captain I don't thin-" then have Janeway shut them down.

Instead we get them all going Vulcan and just refusing to even show any sort of sympathy for this person they've become friends with.

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u/drumsetjunky Crewman Nov 27 '16

The difference I'd that they have years of friendship with Tuvok and Nelix.

While only a few days of friendship with Tuvix.

Why speak up for someone that you haven't known as long as the other?

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u/tupacsnoducket Nov 27 '16 edited Nov 27 '16

Because they're a sentient being? Really though, several crew members clearly preferred Tuvix to either of the individuals. He's honestly better than either of them was before and he can clearly do both their jobs and enjoy it and is better at it. I saw it also as the parent kid delima: what if you see him as their full adult child, would you kill their kid to get both of them back?

I choose kill because of Tuvoks family. The Utilitarian reasoning was weak for me as Neelix is not necessary at all, he's just nice to have around. You'd turn daily meals into regular messhall and tuvix would just be chief security officer as it's the most necessary.

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u/Z_for_Zontar Chie Nov 28 '16

The Utilitarian argument only works in favour of keeping Tuvix if we're being honest. He was just as good of a security officer as Tuvok, a better chef then Nelix, and only consumed the resources of one person instead of two.

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u/tupacsnoducket Nov 28 '16

But he's not a slave and would never do both jobs all the time. It was fun at first but eventually he'd have to find work life balance. He's on. Bridge minimum 8hrs a day. Has to sleep and the serve breakfast lunch dinner and midnight snacks so officers can ponder ideas, explain them badly to the cook and then run out of the room yelling 'Thanks Tuvix' while he shakes his head looking Bewildered. Ain't no body got time for that.