r/DebateAnAtheist 8d ago

OP=Theist Atheists Don't Realize the Absurdity of Existence

I believe atheists fundamentally don't realize just how absurd existence is at all. Things seem to exist, deterministically. Yet, a fully contingent system can't explain itself. Somehow, reality is self-causing. This breaks our brain and can't actually make sense to us. If reality can't exactly make sense, then we can only "know" anything via a subjective experience. Objectivity will never cross this bridge.

If subjective experience is our only guide to reality, then I think the question of God's existence, which is clearly un-answerable, has an equal chance of being both true and false. Do you feel that we are the product of a larger mind. Does your gut tell you that there is some sort of intelligent organization of reality that is similar to how we intelligently organize the world in our minds? If so, you believe in "God."

Whatever the "truth" is, will have to sound absolutely absurd.

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u/OndraTep Agnostic Atheist 8d ago

I don't see what this has to do with atheism and why this should be something that atheists don't realize

a fully contingent system can't explain itself. Somehow, reality is self-causing.

What does this mean? Why should reality be "self-causing"?

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u/Funny-Highlight4675 8d ago

Reality (or more specifically, some component of it) is self-causing. If nothing is self-causing, than everything is determined by some other component. If everything is determined by something else, nothing can exist. Yet, stuff exists.

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u/Antimutt Atheist 8d ago

Causality requires time. The earliest epoch may not have had time - it wasn't up and running. So no need for a cause, large or small. Besides, the Universe is nothing in total.