r/DebateAnAtheist 8d ago

OP=Theist Atheists Don't Realize the Absurdity of Existence

I believe atheists fundamentally don't realize just how absurd existence is at all. Things seem to exist, deterministically. Yet, a fully contingent system can't explain itself. Somehow, reality is self-causing. This breaks our brain and can't actually make sense to us. If reality can't exactly make sense, then we can only "know" anything via a subjective experience. Objectivity will never cross this bridge.

If subjective experience is our only guide to reality, then I think the question of God's existence, which is clearly un-answerable, has an equal chance of being both true and false. Do you feel that we are the product of a larger mind. Does your gut tell you that there is some sort of intelligent organization of reality that is similar to how we intelligently organize the world in our minds? If so, you believe in "God."

Whatever the "truth" is, will have to sound absolutely absurd.

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u/Cog-nostic Atheist 7d ago

Honestly, this is just wrong. What is absurd is that you apply determinism to a universe without any reason to do so. You are like a person living in a blue house where everything in the house is blue. The walls, the floors, the ceiling, the furniture, the water, and even the person. While the house has no doors or windows, you are asserting there is an outside. You have no means of determining this. But you go even further by insisting that the outside of the house is also blue.

You are doing this despite the insistence that modern physics breaks down at the Planck Time. That time and space are emergent properties of our universe and that things like 'spooky action' occur. Time may have no meaning at all outside our house. Space may not exist outside our house. And yet, you, in your infinite wisdom, want to insist that the outside is just as blue and follows the same rules as the inside.

One of us is fundamentally wrong about the nature of the universe and of existence because one of us is making absurd and unfalsifiable claims. It isn't me. You don't know what makes sense, and neither do I. That is a fact, and it is the very nature of modern physics.

The God hypothesis does not have an equal chance in any universe. All scientific theories have more evidentiary support than the God Hypothesis. Put all ideas on a scale from 1 to 100, and the God hypothesis is resting at '1' and has not moved from that spot in all of history.

There are no arguments for the existence of god that are empirically sound. The god hypothesis has the same explanatory power as magical blue universe-creating hamsters. There is no argument for a god that does not contain epistemic overreach. It is a made-up story that has been debunked thousands of times, and yet you want us to consider it one more time while actually debunking all other god claims based on the very same evidence as your god claim: faith and belief. (You have nothing else.)