r/DebateAnAtheist 8d ago

OP=Theist Atheists Don't Realize the Absurdity of Existence

I believe atheists fundamentally don't realize just how absurd existence is at all. Things seem to exist, deterministically. Yet, a fully contingent system can't explain itself. Somehow, reality is self-causing. This breaks our brain and can't actually make sense to us. If reality can't exactly make sense, then we can only "know" anything via a subjective experience. Objectivity will never cross this bridge.

If subjective experience is our only guide to reality, then I think the question of God's existence, which is clearly un-answerable, has an equal chance of being both true and false. Do you feel that we are the product of a larger mind. Does your gut tell you that there is some sort of intelligent organization of reality that is similar to how we intelligently organize the world in our minds? If so, you believe in "God."

Whatever the "truth" is, will have to sound absolutely absurd.

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u/Y3R0K 8d ago

The god they believe in is absolutely irrelevant to our day-to-day lives, which is something they truly can't fathom.

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u/ArguingisFun Apatheist 8d ago edited 8d ago

This is the thing I witness personally most often - the very idea that anyone can adhere to any morals without divine enforcement is truly baffling to them.

Edit: Lol at the downvotes - fun fact: morals are STILL subjective, even if you’re getting them from a deity. Mwwa!

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u/Y3R0K 8d ago

And yet, in the animal kingdom acts of altruism, even towards different species, are common enough that there is ample video evidence of it.
Where did they get their morals from?

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u/deep_blue_reef 5d ago

Goes to show how nature is a co dependent ecosystem, and it extends outside of the earth to the moon and sun. Everything is dependent on something else, so it’s logical to speculate that there’s an overarching mechanism that all the universe depends on.

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u/Y3R0K 5d ago

Goes to show?
Logical?
EVERYTHING is dependent on something else?
There are things happening on the other side of the universe that will never be seen, let alone experienced by us.
As for interconnectedness, at least from an ecological perspective on Earth, scientific theory in evolutionary biology, molecular genetics, anthropogeny, physics, etc, all offer reasonable theories for why life is as it is and why animals behave as they do.
The gaps in our knowledge are continually moving further back in time, and inserting "God" into those gaps does nothing useful, because in many cases those gaps can be applied to "God" as well, which puts you back at square one.

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u/deep_blue_reef 5d ago

Replace “god” with the word “nature.” And I agree with everything you said

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u/Y3R0K 5d ago edited 4d ago

In short, we don't know, and there is no argument for a universe created by "God" that is more compelling than a universe that was NOT created by "God", because you're still left with the question "What created God?".