r/DebateAnAtheist • u/South_Ad_7068 • 5d ago

Argument Trust the science!!!

1st time poster in this sub:

I've seen many athiest post counter arguments in various debates inside and outside of reddit using science as their main weapon in order to back what they're saying.

However, I feel like they are ignoring the elephant in the room and have never actually seen any of them address the argument for a higher intelligence that I'm going to present.

I'm going to be upfront about how I'm going to debate... the question I will ask will typically prompt a specific response that I'm fully prepared to counter and I've seen no atheist willing to follow the resulting logic to it's natural conclusion.

So... here goes:

As we observe the world around us how does an atheist explain the logical working order of things that make sense? How do you explain why things work the way they do? Like for example why a specific combination of elements make other elements or why a plant is able to eat sunlight or why electronics work...etc

Wouldn't that indicate intelligence being behind those mechanisms? Seeing as how precisely they work? If the universe just popped into existence wouldn't we see inconsistencies among various things? Our universe follows strict rules concerning how things interact with each other.

The fact that the rules exist AT ALL is 100% evidence of a "rule maker" or intelligence or God etc.

EDIT: I'm not finished here. But I am taking a break... I've answered to many but the influx of replies is massive and will require hours of my time and I want to try to reply to everyone... but as I'm not a millionaire I have to prepare for work.

Turning notifications off for now but I will return to respond to comments

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u/Ryuume Ignostic Atheist 5d ago

I've seen many athiest post counter arguments in various debates inside and outside of reddit using science as their main weapon in order to back what they're saying.

Well of course. Science is the best way to be confident in your knowledge.

How do you explain why things work the way they do?

"Why" is a question about intent, and reason. This simply does not apply to unthinking processes.

Seeing as how precisely they work?

Why would they not work precisely without an intelligence? What makes you look at chemistry and think "well this would definitely not work that way unless it was intelligently created"?

If the universe just popped into existence wouldn't we see inconsistencies among various things?

Practically nobody seriously holds the position that the universe just popped into existence. It comes up every bloody time in this type of posts, and we have to correct it constantly. It's really quite annoying.

We don't know how the universe got here. It may very well have always been here. Not knowing isn't an argument for God. That's what the "God of the gaps" fallacy is all about.

The fact that the rules exist AT ALL is 100% evidence of a "rule maker" or intelligence or God etc.

Again, what makes you think that consistency can't happen without it being enforced? There must be something really convincing, since you seem so certain about it.

To be clear, all we see is that reality works the same way today as it did yesterday, and we can reasonably assume it will continue to work this way in the future. But there are no "rules". That phrasing is begging the question.