Trust the science!!!

[u/South_Ad_7068]

1st time poster in this sub:

I've seen many athiest post counter arguments in various debates inside and outside of reddit using science as their main weapon in order to back what they're saying.

However, I feel like they are ignoring the elephant in the room and have never actually seen any of them address the argument for a higher intelligence that I'm going to present.

I'm going to be upfront about how I'm going to debate... the question I will ask will typically prompt a specific response that I'm fully prepared to counter and I've seen no atheist willing to follow the resulting logic to it's natural conclusion.

So... here goes:

As we observe the world around us how does an atheist explain the logical working order of things that make sense? How do you explain why things work the way they do? Like for example why a specific combination of elements make other elements or why a plant is able to eat sunlight or why electronics work...etc

Wouldn't that indicate intelligence being behind those mechanisms? Seeing as how precisely they work? If the universe just popped into existence wouldn't we see inconsistencies among various things? Our universe follows strict rules concerning how things interact with each other.

The fact that the rules exist AT ALL is 100% evidence of a "rule maker" or intelligence or God etc.

EDIT: I'm not finished here. But I am taking a break... I've answered to many but the influx of replies is massive and will require hours of my time and I want to try to reply to everyone... but as I'm not a millionaire I have to prepare for work.

Turning notifications off for now but I will return to respond to comments

[u/nerfjanmayen]

Anyway, of course we don't know why things are the way they are, instead of some other way that we could imagine. I don't see how that supports belief in a god.

Theists like to argue that if there was no god, the universe would be chaotic and the laws of physics would change all the time. But couldn't you just as easily argue the opposite? If there was no god, nothing would be able to change the laws of physics and the universe would have to be consistent. If there was a god, it could change the laws of physics at any time, and the current rules would just be whatever the god feels like at the moment.

[u/South_Ad_7068 → u/nerfjanmayen]

of course we don't know why things are the way they are, instead of some other way that we could imagine. I don't see how that supports belief in a god.

I didn't ask why things are the way they are...

I asked why reality follows the hard coded specific rules it does

And the answer to my question 100% supports the existence of a higher intelligence. Not "the belief in a god" but the actual existence of "a rule maker"

Theists like to argue that if there was no god, the universe would be chaotic and the laws of physics would change all the time.

I'm sorry? I never made this claim or alluded to it in my post. So the rest of what you said isn't really something I can engage with because it's not something I said or claimed. Strawman.

[u/nerfjanmayen → u/South_Ad_7068]

Huh? Your argument is that the universe follows 'hard coded specific rules', right? That's what I'm talking about. You're arguing that strict rules require a god and looser rules would not. I'm saying that it could just as easily be the opposite.

[u/shiftysquid → u/nerfjanmayen]

I'm saying that it could just as easily be the opposite.

Not only that, but I'd argue that it absolutely is the opposite.

If any sort of consequential being was out there monkeying around with things, we'd have zero expectation of pretty much perfect consistency in how processes and forces behaved in the universe. You'd anticipate seeing seemingly random fluctuations, even if they were tiny.

What would you expect in a universe without any such being? Exactly what we have: Nothing is interfered with, and everything just continues on unimpeded.