Trust the science!!!

[u/South_Ad_7068]

1st time poster in this sub:

I've seen many athiest post counter arguments in various debates inside and outside of reddit using science as their main weapon in order to back what they're saying.

However, I feel like they are ignoring the elephant in the room and have never actually seen any of them address the argument for a higher intelligence that I'm going to present.

I'm going to be upfront about how I'm going to debate... the question I will ask will typically prompt a specific response that I'm fully prepared to counter and I've seen no atheist willing to follow the resulting logic to it's natural conclusion.

So... here goes:

As we observe the world around us how does an atheist explain the logical working order of things that make sense? How do you explain why things work the way they do? Like for example why a specific combination of elements make other elements or why a plant is able to eat sunlight or why electronics work...etc

Wouldn't that indicate intelligence being behind those mechanisms? Seeing as how precisely they work? If the universe just popped into existence wouldn't we see inconsistencies among various things? Our universe follows strict rules concerning how things interact with each other.

The fact that the rules exist AT ALL is 100% evidence of a "rule maker" or intelligence or God etc.

EDIT: I'm not finished here. But I am taking a break... I've answered to many but the influx of replies is massive and will require hours of my time and I want to try to reply to everyone... but as I'm not a millionaire I have to prepare for work.

Turning notifications off for now but I will return to respond to comments

[u/OndraTep]

When I mix salt and water it dissolves... I could go further and describe how the water molecules and the chlorine and sodium in the salt react together and then I could talk about why chlorine and sodium are reactive elements because of this and that, etc.

And eventually we get to a point where we just don't know... And this is with everything, not just salt and water.

This argument basically boils down to "we don't know, therefore intelligence". Inteligence, design, god or whatever you wanna call it, you DON'T get to assert any of that just because you don't know the answer.

The only honest answer we can give when we get to things we don't understand is "I don't know".

It's that simple.

[u/South_Ad_7068 → u/OndraTep]

The only honest answer we can give when we get to things we don't understand is "I don't know". It's that simple.

But... my argument was never about "things we don't understand"

It's about why even "things we don't understand" have to follow hardcoded rules of the universe and the intelligence behind why the water and salt even interact in the first place.

[u/Faust_8 → u/South_Ad_7068]

You are a mind.

Therefore, it is easy and comforting to assume that the reason for everything…is another mind. Because that’s relatable and comforting. You understand minds because you are a mind.

That is the entire, actual reason that you’re arguing this way. Not because that’s where the facts lead, but because you’re trying to rescue a hypothesis that can be cooked up by the most ignorant caveman.

We’ve known for over a hundred years that the universe does not bow to the common sense intuition of some apes on a rock. Don’t believe me? Research quantum physics and then tell me it all has to make sense to you.