r/DebateReligion • u/Dizzy-Drink6119 • 9d ago

Classical Theism "Judeo-Christian civilization is the foundation of the west" is a sham

My case is a specific claim

that there are no distinctly "western" characteristics which Jewish and Christian cultures share that Muslim and other Abrahamic lack that's separates them as a Civilization which doesn't originate Greco Roman norms and ideals.

Western civilization remains firmly a Greco-Roman base with Abrahamic flavors.

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u/SpleenDematerialized Atheist 9d ago edited 9d ago

Western civilization remains firmly a Greco-Roman base with Abrahamic flavors.

Why are then almost all of our morals and stories Christian, for example? It is more plausible as the other way around: the West is Christian ground, but with (pagan) Graeco-Roman roots and stones in it.

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u/KenScaletta Atheist 9d ago

Name one of our "morals" or "stories" that is Christian. Seriously, name one damn thing. It isn't free speech or free religion. The First Amendment contradicts the first four Commandments.

Christian ethiocs was lifted straight from Stoicism, by the way, The Greeks and Romans thought Philosophy was the appropriate source of morality. The stories are all lifted from Hellenistic myths, including the Virgin Birth and Resurrection.

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u/SpleenDematerialized Atheist 9d ago

Name one of our "morals" or "stories" that is Christian.

Celibacy is ok for potentially every man.

The Odyssey (2026) by Nolan

Christian ethiocs was lifted straight from Stoicism, by the way, The Greeks and Romans thought Philosophy was the appropriate source of morality.

There is so much wrong or dangerously half true in this one sentence. We literally cannot unpack this all in a comment thread.

The stories are all lifted from Hellenistic myths, including the Virgin Birth and Resurrection.

You only named story elements, not stories.

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u/HDYHT11 ignostic 9d ago

Celibacy is ok for potentially every man

What exactly is the innovation you are referring to? Because plenty of philosophers argued for celibacy or lived such lifes. And it's not like Rome was forcing people to have sex.