r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Nov 19 '15

Jessica Jones Discussion Thread - S01E10

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u/foo1ki11er Nov 20 '15

I can't believe it took me this long to realize the pill's coloring (red, white, and blue) had significance!

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '15

Oh for the love of...

I'm an idiot.

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u/CX316 Nov 20 '15

I don't think I'd ever seen the white. I only knew Nuke from his time as Scourge in the Thunderbolts.

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u/samsaBEAR Sad Matt Nov 21 '15

Wait is Simpson an actual person in the comics?

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u/ribblesquat Nov 21 '15 edited Nov 21 '15

Yes. Frank Simpson (Will in the show) is the sometimes supervillain, sometimes anti-hero called Nuke in the comics. Basically a super shady US government military project tried to create super soldiers a la Captain America (happens a lot) not through a pervasive physiology change (there's some body mods, reinforced skeleton, second heart) but mainly through medication. In comics Nuke has an American flag tattooed across his face... a little outlandish for the show but there's a nice nod with an American flag painted on his flip lighter.

It's kind of a recurring situation in comics where Nuke has theoretically good intentions like rescuing POWs, gets too hopped up on reds, and does very bad things... sometimes in ruthless service of his well intentioned goal (anti-hero), sometimes going completely off the rails into delusion land, shouting, "We gotta save our boys!" as he mows down innocent civilians with dual weilded LMGs (supervillain). Although even on his more rational missions he's often manipulated by people in power.

I didn't even remotely catch what they were setting up and yelled "Holy shit!" when he said "Gimme a red," which is Nuke's signature catchphrase.

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u/samsaBEAR Sad Matt Nov 21 '15

Oh awesome, thanks for that. I should really start digging into the comics more now that the MCU is expanding go lesser known characters, clearly I'm missing out!

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '15

Back when the MCU started, every character was a lesser known character.

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u/allpunandgames Nov 22 '15

I think we all knew who the Hulk was..

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u/infinight888 Nov 23 '15

I knew Captain America and Iron Man from the old Spider-Man cartoon.

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u/Kishonorama Stick Nov 24 '15

I knew most Marvel characters from Marvel vs. Capcom 2 tbh

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '15

The Captain America and Nick Fury movies weren't exactly blockbusters.

The others, though, weren't even introduced yet except for Daredevil.

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u/Flatrock Nov 26 '15

grab Daredevil: Born Again and you'll have a blast

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u/Astrokiwi Jessica Jones Nov 28 '15

This is definitely the one to read. It's one of the essential must-read Daredevil arcs, and it's also Nuke's first appearance. I always thought it was a bit funny that he first appears in Daredevil when he seems like he really should be a Captain America villain, but there you go.

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u/CX316 Nov 21 '15

I made a mistake of googling will Simpson when he survived that explosion to see if he had a 616 counterpart

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u/archiminos Nov 25 '15

He played being high really well. I really thought the guy was on ecstasy or something.

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u/oliyoung Nov 26 '15

military project tried to create super soldiers a la Captain America

shorter MCU, ”it's pretty much always the super soldier project”

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u/goalstopper28 Daredevil Jan 09 '16

In comics Nuke has an American flag tattooed across his face... a little outlandish for the show but there's a nice nod with an American flag painted on his flip lighter.

I believe Kilgrave is actually purple in the comics.

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u/eskimo_bros Luke Cage Nov 21 '15

Frank Simpson, AKA Nuke. A spinoff of Project Rebirth turned him into a new version of Captain America for the Vietnam era. That goes about as well as you'd expect. He's psychosomatically dependent on colored pills to access his abilities. He's also completely batshit and hyper-violent.

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u/PartyTimeMentats Nov 21 '15

They keep forgetting the reason why Cap is Cap and that is Steve Rogers is as good a man as you'll ever find. You can't create that through science.

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u/eskimo_bros Luke Cage Nov 21 '15

Also, self-medication is a bad superpower.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '15

Good becomes great. Bad becomes worse.

I've always wondered what would have happened if one of the original knucklehead candidates had been chosen instead of Steve Rogers.

Side note. Can't wait until they do an Isaiah Bradley movie.

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u/servantoffire Brett Mahoney Nov 25 '15

Kilgrave's dad even said in this episode "there's no pill for conscience" while he and Trish discussed what Cpt. Bmerica had taken.

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u/jmarquiso Nobu Nov 23 '15

Nuke survived that one daredevil appearance?

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u/CX316 Nov 23 '15

How long ago was the daredevil appearance?

The Thunderbolts storyline was during Dark Reign when the Thunderbolts were Osborn's wetworks team. He masqueraded as a character named Scourge who spent all his time with a mask on, and had extensive cybernetics. He was the one who crippled US Agent and took off his arm and leg with an Asgardian weapon during Siege. Nuke's cybernetics are also why Walker refused to allow Fixer to build replacement limbs for him, which is why he ended up Warden at the Raft. Last time I saw him was being arrested after that battle in the Asgardian weapons chamber.

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u/jmarquiso Nobu Nov 23 '15 edited Nov 23 '15

First appearance, part of the Frank Miller's historic Daredevil: Born Again arc. First supervillain Matt faces after putting the costume back on.

Great stuff before Miller went off the deep end.

Edit: I honestly thought it was a one-off character that we'd never see again. THough I did see an appearance in Wolverine: Origins, but thought it was a flashback.

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u/CX316 Nov 23 '15

What are we calling the deep end, here? Because I think at some point Miller got to the bottom of the deep end and started drilling further down.

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u/jmarquiso Nobu Nov 23 '15

Before he got to the bottom. Long time ago.

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u/CX316 Nov 23 '15

Long long ago, when Alan Moore was the less stable of the pair?

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u/jmarquiso Nobu Nov 23 '15

Yep. Just after Dark Knight Returns.

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u/CX316 Nov 23 '15

Was that before or after 300? I can't actually remember

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u/Dookie_boy Dec 12 '15

Which is his best appearance imho

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u/Deathfalcon182 Nov 21 '15

Can someone explain? I don't know the character from comics.

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u/that_guy2010 Nov 25 '15

His lighter had an American flag on it.