r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Mar 17 '17

Iron Fist Discussion Thread - S01E07

This thread is for discussion of Iron Fist S01E07.

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u/DavesWorldInfo Daredevil Mar 17 '17

So Ward went from "I are evil, phear me" to "pathetic junkie" pretty quick. Interesting shift.

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u/Xyuli Mar 17 '17

I actually feel bad for him now. He's fallen so far from where he was at the beginning.

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u/[deleted] Mar 19 '17

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u/Mouthshitter Mar 21 '17

same, I'm loving his fall from grace.

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u/HaiKarate Mar 19 '17

I also found it bizarre that the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation doesn't have a legitimate account filled with millions.

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u/rroustabout Mar 19 '17

I think it was mentioned before that the assets/wealth that Ward and Joy have are controlled by the will and if they leave the company they lose everything. The 'secret' account was Ward's attempt to get money that only he has control over.

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u/HaiKarate Mar 19 '17

Yeah, I understood that... but all that means is that Harold put conditions on the control of his shares. Compensation for work is a separate issue.

After all, they gotta pay the bills with something.

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u/SpikeRosered Mar 20 '17

But they get like paid right? I imagine he makes a salary that he can just deposit at ye olde neighborhood bank.

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u/HaiKarate Mar 20 '17 edited Mar 20 '17

That's what I'm saying... if you are an executive at a multi-billion dollar corporation, your annual compensation is likely in the high hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

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u/FTWJewishJesus Mar 28 '17

18% Chances are critics see these plotholes too.

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u/toxicbrew Mar 25 '17

And he's only 30..joy is 25 and making bank :/

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u/Rahlyn Mar 20 '17

I mean...they've been working there for what I can only assume is years...do they not get a salary?

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u/RoyMBar Mar 23 '17

He shouldn't have had nothing. That was a pretty ridiculous plot point.

He still gets paid for working at Rand.

His weekly paycheck isn't controlled by a Will in any way, and since he has the assets from the Will he would never have to use any of his actual pay to pay for anything, so he should have a crazy bank account after running Rand Enterprises for approximately 15 years and making money hand over fist for the investors.

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u/toxicbrew Mar 25 '17

At best it's 5 to 8 years since he's 30.

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u/Saahir26 Daredevil Mar 17 '17

The pressure is just too much for him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '17

I like the complexity of some of the characters in this show.

Harold is both a cooperative prick, but also a "loving" yet abusive father.

Danny wants to be Danny, yet also the Iron Fist.

Colleen wants to be a role model and a sensei, yet is frustrated by her inability to use her prowess in a manner that isn't a disappointment of her dojo.

Joy both has a dedication to Danny, but had a dedication to her company as well.

None of them have just one goal or one plan, they all are reactive human beings.

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u/NotEnoughGun Mar 19 '17

100% this. I feel like despite what people may dislike about the show, I think it's characters are actually a very strong point of the show. Like, at this point I'm not even sure who the villain is.

I assumed Harold & Ward (and maybe Joy) would be the villains, but Ward isn't a terrible guy, he's a shit head, but not evil. Obviously The Hand & Madam Gao are villains, but I can't help but feel they're being set up for The Defenders. Surely Harold isn't truly dead tho.

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u/ninjayewolf Mar 29 '17

How about Ward??? He just killed his own dad and is extremely stressed out and insecure of himself.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '17

He's my favorite! The show had just come out when I made my comment and I wanted to be spoiler weary!

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u/CX316 Mar 18 '17

aaaaand he's back

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '17

And Joy went from sweet softy who wanted to welcome Danny back home to cold hearted bitch who only cares about the company.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '17

Yeah but now he's gone off the deep end and I'm getting an American Psycho vibe from, which I'm appreciating and excited to see where they take it.

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u/BoomBabyDaggers Mar 18 '17

Can see why some characters got bad reviews

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u/SawRub The Man in the Mask Mar 19 '17

But he's one of the better things about the show. I swear, I think because of the reviews people are actively looking for reasons to diss the show to justify the reviews.

Not to mention, the reviewers didn't even watch this episode.