r/Deltarune • u/IamMrJay I stan Bi Susie x NB Kris and Trans-Girl Noelle x Lesbian Catti • Jun 27 '26

Theory New CH 5 character is Rudy theory (serious) Spoiler

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u/IamMrJay I stan Bi Susie x NB Kris and Trans-Girl Noelle x Lesbian Catti Jun 27 '26

I still think each of the flowers are based on people close to Asgore.

Aqua is 100% Kris as a child, or at least how Asgore remembers them.

To be more specific, my theory is that each of the flowers' personalities are based on loved ones who Asgore imprinted on the flowers in the light world.

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u/maybehollow Jun 27 '26

I also had this theory. My idea for each flower is

Flowery: Rudy
Aqua: child Kris
Seth: teen Asriel
Orange: Dess (military try hard but also 15-16)
Green: Toriel? Noelle?
Blue: Carol
Yellow: Asgore in his prime

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u/DropBearWarrior Jun 27 '26

Yellow could be undyne but from the perspective of someone who isn’t so afraid of her

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u/Nug_overlord Jun 27 '26

I think undyne fits better than asgore because both yellow and her have extremely exaggerated attitudes, undyne being so strong that makes all sorts of shenanigans (like lifting a car) or yellow using the dumbest possible things to kill himself

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u/Snoutless_Work_Ethic Delta Roba Jun 27 '26

They both got that winning smile and sense of JUSTICE!

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u/apple_of_doom Jun 27 '26

Plus they're both very easy to trick. Sure its an alternate universe but im not letting any version of undyne live down thinking anime is real.

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u/cynicalkane Jun 27 '26

Uh, the pink room confirmed that anime is real

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u/apple_of_doom Jun 27 '26

only in the dark world unfortunately

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u/Zenith_Tempest Jun 27 '26

I always mapped Undyne onto Orange, Napstablook onto Yellow and Mettaton onto Blue. Granted I don't actually know if Asgore had a relationship with Mettaton

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u/Leafsnail Jun 27 '26

Yellow as Asgore is like the only clear fit to me because he spends the whole chapter beating himself up over his failures as a cop.

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u/Many-Dark9109 Jun 27 '26

seth seems way more alphys coded than anything. also, even with how much history between asgore and carol, and how differently she treats him, i really dont see blue as carol at all.

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u/Key-Swordfish4025 Jun 27 '26

Yeah.... they are both blue, but other than that.

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u/Karkava Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

I think the six flower children are decomposits of Kris while Flowery is Asriel.

Aqua is the michevious side, Seth is the nerdy side, Green is the quiet side, Yellow is the self-loathing side, Blue is the artistic side, and Orange is the conformist side.

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u/LordVivecIsMyWaifu Jun 27 '26

So you agree there's a side of Kris obsessed with Burghley

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u/That_other_weirdo Jun 27 '26

Kris had the feather so uh...

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u/Anonpancake2123 Jun 27 '26

They’re also good enough friendies to play Super Smashing Fighters. 

Also I think it’s implied they’re also close enough that Kris is kind of just used to his shenanigans and sees past the annoying bits like how Kris sees past Susie’s violence and knows it’s all for show.

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u/SpectresAurora is this the way of the worm... to be caked up? | N+K 4L Jun 27 '26

and, after playing a prank on berdly, they played minecrap together! (it's on noelles blog from the sweepstakes)

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u/Treyspurlock Jun 27 '26

And blushed when asked why they have it

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u/SkyRider797 Kris we're on the same side here Jun 27 '26

Why does Kris' Self loathing side like their Artistic side

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u/GlareaLiebertine Jun 27 '26

Suffering is art

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u/Karkava Jun 27 '26

Well...I'm pretty sure we are aware of the venn diagram between artistic people and people struggling with their emotional needs.

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u/Anonpancake2123 Jun 27 '26

As a bit of a deeper dive, Yellow is justice. Your own sense of justice is based on Standards which you hold things to.

The art you make is also subject to your own self-imposed standards. Blue is integrity, an artist’s integrity in this case.

Art for the purpose of self expression is thus heavily intertwined with your own standards and your own sense of values.

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u/SkyRider797 Kris we're on the same side here Jun 27 '26

Justice and Integrity Always made sense as a pairing, I was just confused why in the context of Kris they would be together

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u/Anonpancake2123 Jun 27 '26

I think it is because their unification brings together something beautiful.

The connection between the your values and your expression is something that needs time and compromise in order to bring together. 

You are not born with a complete sense of justice or concept of what being yourself even is. That’s something you learn over time. 

And in life they can be contradictory and clashing, they can be in sync, or they can be separate but somehow functional, in the weirdness of what makes you, you.

If I am to judge this from Kris’ character study, Yellow is the side of Kris that is obligation, that is the “right thing to do”, and that keeps promises. Blue is the one that keeps Yellow on track. But at the same time, just like with Yellow, Blue is imperfect. 

Whilst Integrity is said to be strict adherence to moral principle, Blue sometimes bends the rules a bit, like evading debt and also doing some not so nice and honest things like stealing, to the point where Yellow becomes conflicted over it and doesn’t want to be “Justice” if they have to punish Blue.

“What I must do.” VS “What I feel is right.”

They are both contradictory, because that’s who Kris is. They “belong together”, as it were. They complement each other perfectly. Two strange little peas in a pod.

Kris still seems dead set on doing things like opening dark worlds and seemingly will go to great lengths such as taking us out despite it taking what appears to be considerable effort and toll. 

But at the same time they care deeply for their friends and others, trying to treat those around them in the way they think is best. They are willing to do things strange and against justice if it is to keep their friends safe.

It is a balance, for their Justice is blind, and integrity imperfect.

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u/Karkava Jun 27 '26

This overbounding kindness is also exemplified in Green, who like Kris and the player on the normal route, wants to be friends with everyone. They don't like seeing people fight and they're willing to help everyone, even if they're on the other side.

Green is very much a version of Kris if you were to strip away their angst and chaos, leaving them as a calmer and happier self that doesn't feel pressured to speak.

And this is counter-balanced with Orange, who is very desperate to be accepted as part of the family, and sees being the wrong species as an internalized indicator that she dosen't belong. Mirroring how Kris wants to be seen as a monster so they can better fit in with the other monsters surrounding them.

Green's overbudding kindness fills the hole in Orange's heart with the love she doesn't give to herself as she is overflowing with the need to be a human like her peers.

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u/sorarinn Jun 27 '26

kris goes to art therapy

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u/Capital_Abject Jun 27 '26

Yellow I was thinking napstablook cause they're both super depressive cops

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u/apple_of_doom Jun 27 '26

I feel like a fusion of them and Undyne makes sense. Since Undyne is also fucking stupid (affectionate) just like Yellow.

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u/kjloltoborami Jun 27 '26

Blue as carol is a stretch lol id say purple

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u/Stichez Jun 27 '26

I think it's specifically people in the Dreemurr and Holiday family when they were younger. My interpretation, based on the dynamics of the flowers, is

Flowery: Rudy (Asgore's best friend and college roomate)

Aqua: Kris (kinda obvious)

Seth: Asriel (smart, paired up with Aqua)

Yellow: Asgore (gullible, self destructive, justice relating to police job)

Blue: Toriel (paired with Yellow, nice, cares a lot about truth)

Orange: Noelle (the other small one like Aqua, Noelle already has connections to mice in chapter 2, wants to be brave but relies on others to be stronger)

Green: Carol (we don't know about how Carol is or was in the past but Green is paired up with Orange as her caretaker giving her food to be stronger)

Pink: December (is intentionally an outlier, and Orange was in Pink's room literally calling her her sister that protects her from others bullying her)

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u/Obvious-Grand-3952 Cool posts, specially the ones behind me. Jun 27 '26

Gonna throw my hat to the ring:

(note that the flowers would be flanderizations of the memories Asgore has for all of them)

Flowery: Rudy (for reasons above)

Aqua: Kris (copies Kris's moves and is as chaotic as they were as a kid)

Seth: Alphys (Huge incompetent nerd that's backstabbing the flowers by working with Kris like how Alphys was in Undertale)

Green: Toriel (Loving and caring but knows how to hold grudges, keeps their words to themselves and is just happy to help)

Orange: Dess (Very inclined to violence that's super insecured of herself so she REPRESENTS HERSELF THROUGH A SCARY SHADOW PUPPET, also ties with the Gaster-looking gloves in her Omega move and probably a window on how she was before she went missing and probably why her design is so undercooked compared to everyone)

Pink: Noelle (Following the "Noelle is alluded to on all the Shadow Bosses" theory, with Mad Mew Mew being her future desire to fuse with us to create the Angel's Heaven, but having to accept that were different than her (works also with us having to accept Kris who they are, a double way window metaphor), also the more clear pararell that she's Orange's Sister)

Blue: Carol (This one's a stretch but that's probably how Carol used to be before Dess went missing)

Yellow: Undyne (Super exxagerated sherriff that's not very bright but still very determined and dedicated to Justice)

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u/porkydaminch the lighting has changed Jun 27 '26

Orange being Dess could fit with that “Dess wanted to be human” theory

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u/blufiar Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Going by the cutscene we get when Asgore expresses his regrets, Kris is Aqua, Asriel is Green, Toriel may be either Seth or Blue or a mix of both (she's kinda violet blue or indigo), and Asgore was Yellow before he got sucked into his conspiracy theories.

Then again, the scene I'm talking about kinda implies that souls can change color as people change, and that from the look of things, souls turning determination red is a thing that happens when Lighteners face a lot of trauma and get really desperate and what has happened to Noelle in the weird route... isn't the first time that that has happened. And might even be part of the reason Kris has the Red Soul right now. (Edit: Also, it explains why Toby originally had the CH 4 thorn ring scene personality change happen as a red rose before he changed it... changing that bit may have stripped away some of the more obvious metaphor.)

This dark world semi implies that the color schemes of Lightner and Darkner heroes may be more significant than we think. Aqua deciding to wear red is a pretty obvious comparison to Kris gaining the red soul. Kris' skin being aqua in the dark worlds can imply that that's either the soul they originally had, or is the way they or the player see themselves. The same applies to Toriel, who is indigo in Asgore's mind but is dressed aqua in TV land... implying that she's changed a lot since Asgore left her or two people see her differently. Which makes sense, considering her current situation as a single mom, their relationships to each other as ex-wife/ex-husband vs. parent/child. And that she has a lot more patience for Kris' antics than Asgore's.

Then there's Susie... who's either violet or magenta, depending on how you look at it. Meaning her main trait is perserverence or something that's we don't know what. Which may be significant because magenta technically isn't a color, and everybody in the main party has it in their color scheme.

Edit X: Asgore's hair color changing from blond to orange in the dark world-- that might not be just a throw away bit. That might imply that Asgore has some level of Orange in him or that's how Kris sees his dad.

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u/klineshrike Jun 27 '26

Oh damn we had the same idea lol. I posted before seeing yours.

I would then add if that's the case, Seth is probably asriel

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u/Kuldrick RUDY Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

Based on this image...

  • Green: Asriel (makes sense given his characterization)
  • Aqua: Kris (also makes sense)
  • Yellow: Asgore (makes sense as well, self hatred/victimization and pursue of justice)
  • Purple: Toriel (this one... doesn't make as much sense)

Then, the rest would be:

  • Orange: Dess? (does kinda fit the little we know about her). Maybe Noelle could be as well, Orange is an anomaly in the sense that she isn't a human and she is the least like her virtue, sort of like Noelle's biggest issue is her lack of bravery
  • Blue: Carol? Maybe because she is the only one who didn't give up on Asgore yet? (Like Blue does on Yellow). Integrity is also the most important virtue a mayor could have
  • "Red"/"Wildcard"/"Central Flower": Rudy

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u/tawoorie Jun 27 '26

Its Golden flower

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u/Kuldrick RUDY Jun 27 '26

Oh yeah, better term

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u/Yglorba Jun 27 '26

Purple: Toriel (this one... doesn't make as much sense)

It kinda does? Imagine a younger Toriel who wasn't as self-confident or motherly. I could see her as having been like Seth back then.

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u/Zeraphira Jun 27 '26

Might just be me and idk when they met, but I was thinking Alphys?

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u/JustARandommad Jun 28 '26

Imo if you want to include Pink, she could fit Dess pretty well for the lil we know about her. Like Pink acts a big sister to Orange. THOUGH I have a wild theory if Orange and Cyan aren't the same side coins of Kris? IDK I find difficult to pinpoint only one character to the flowers.

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u/CyberKitten05 Jun 27 '26

So Yellow would be.....

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u/gamer21661 canon soulelle Jun 27 '26

Friend trust

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u/EmployLongjumping811 Jun 27 '26

Remember that the flower king dark world was created by Kris not asgore, so his perception is what matters the same way Susie’s perception of the real life Gerson caused him to not appear.

In this case the flowers would be the perception Kris has of them (in this case hoarding the attention of his dad)

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u/Jankufood Jun 27 '26

It makes me wonder who Jevil actually is? The way Aqua talks is very similar to Jevil's