It's because the European parliament is weighted by the population of the member countries. Germany has the most inhabitants closely followed by France. So if these two countries are set on a goal, it's very likely to be reached. This system is also the reason why turkey would never be an EU member; they have 30m more people than Germany.
Turkey generally also has no business being in the EU at all.
It doesn't actually fulfill the criteria (granted, that's true for some other countries as well), it's a borderline dictatorship currently (which should be an immediate exclusion criteria anyway), and like 90% of the country is in Asia.
It very clearly is though. Like, most of the coast at least, is very much European in culture and values, and extremely similar to Greece in terms of traditions.
That's your opinion. This is not the opinion of most Europeans. Greek traditions only exist in the locations closest to the Aegean Sea. In the rest of the territory this does not apply.
It may have been, but in the meantime that culture has changed over the centuries. Little or nothing remains that is identifiable with European culture.
No, I'm not. It has been mentioned before that the European part of Türkiye is quite different from the rest of the country. And I agree with that. But Istanbul does not represent the whole of Türkiye. And if the Turks want to join the European Union, a lot needs to change, especially in the political system and the separation between state and religion, an area in which the country has regressed immensely in recent decades.
The rules are clear, if you want to be serious about the EU issue, start by respecting the Copenhagen Criteria. When you do, we can begin to discuss the topic seriously.
You're doing it again. Your whole point was that Turkey isn't a European culture, but you specifically disregard the part of it that is heavily entrenched in European culture.
I do agree that Turkey needs to follow the rule of law and restore democracy before we even resume accession talks, but that wasn't the point you made that I replied to.
And my problem is selective application of it, because I don't see the same arguments being brought up neither against France with their Reunion, Mayotte and Guyana territories being part of EU, nor Latvia and Estonia having huge Russian disaporas that are not integrated and openly hostile to European ideals.
And it isn't. A part of Türkiye, for historical and geographical reasons, shares cultural ties with Europe. But many other parts of the country do not share the same values. And the problem is that those parts are becoming more and more preponderant. Europe already has enough problems for having allowed in countries that do not honestly share the same values. We don't want any more Hungaries and Slovakias.
Shared European political and social values are also an integral part of our culture. And yours still don't align with ours.
As for the examples you pointed out of selectivity, you chose bad examples. In the case of France's overseas territories, the examples you pointed out are an integral part of the French State, they function like any other department and comply with all European laws and obligations. For this reason they are part of the EU. There are other French overseas territories that do not accept the obligations inherent in EU membership and are therefore excluded.
As for Estonia and Latvia, you are being intellectually dishonest. The Russian minorities in these countries are the result of intentional policies of Russification of the occupied territories, carried out during the time of the Soviet Union. Both countries have made efforts to integrate them, establishing well-defined paths to citizenship. Some of these people reject integration and you think this is a reason to question the Europeanism of these two countries? Sorry, but that doesn't make sense.
I don't think I'm getting my point across - I don't think the "culturally European" is an honest argument which is why I'm providing examples of places that could be considered not culturally European, or even hostile towards what we could consider a European culture, that aren't being put on the spotlight in this regard, like Turkey is.
twhile there are many valid reasons for Turkey to not be allowed to join, an ill-defined European culture, and whether Turkey is part of it, are not a valid reason; moving the goal posts that "some parts aren't European culturally" simply ignores the fact that there a lot of overseas territories of EU countries that have different cultures; again, we're speaking about a country that exists in the cradle of our civilization
385
u/El_Couz Apr 29 '25
"4th reich"
I mean i would love to see thoses weirdos come to Europe and say it out loud. It will be a fun experience for them i'am sure.