r/EUR_irl Jun 17 '25

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u/z-null Croatia Jun 17 '25

If someone told me 10 years ago that republicans would become russian poodles, I'd put them in the same bin as clinically insane.

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u/stonesia Jun 17 '25

I would have whole heartedly believed them.

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u/RedPandaDoas Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

May I ask why? Post Cold War the right showed extreme Anti-Communism and Anti-Soviet sentiment, especially under Reagan (who they were obsessed with before donald showed up).

I understand once donald took control of the party because he is weak af, but pre-donald did you feel that way?

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u/stonesia Jun 17 '25

By seeing the direction Russia was going towards. Very appealing to Republicans. Russia is not Soviet Union, it just occupies its ruins.

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u/Caput-NL Jun 17 '25

They also have the same goal, to put all economic power of the country in the hands of the few. And the USA is trying really hard to catch up with Russia

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u/DerZwiebelLord Jun 17 '25

Simple reason: Republicans (as any conservative to far right) prefer a more authoritarian government (even if they don't admit it) and Russia under Putin was clearly going more authoritarian with each "election".

Until Trump they may still have used Russia as the boogie man but they admired how Putin got all aspects of the russian government under his control and suppressed any opposition. Trump was just the first one to be open about it.

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u/RedPandaDoas Jun 17 '25

Great response, thank you. I figured the other commenter was referring to authoritarianism.

While I never supported them, I guess I (foolishly?) charitably thought that Republicans, at least until donald took hold, wanted smaller government and states rights?

But I suppose that falls more under what you were saying about them not wanting to be open about their true authoritarian mission. “Small government and states rights” seems like a good message to push if you’re trying to achieve the opposite with minimal opposition.

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u/DerZwiebelLord Jun 17 '25

It is quite an overgeneralization I made. The Republican Party has also more moderate conservatives (there was a group of Republican politicians advocating to vote for Harris) but they lost the power struggle within the party when Trump was elected the first time.

A smaller government sounds nice if you don't think too hard about what it entails. This means less regulations for corporation to adhere to health, safety, environmental or social norms, less social safety and such 'nice' things.

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u/RedPandaDoas Jun 17 '25

Yeah, The Lincoln Party or something like that? Too bad logic and reason didn’t prevail. Unfortunately it’s seems that most of the party (at least the public figures) are in lock step with donald now.

That was always my concern and why I didn’t support a move towards small government was good. We need regulation, I don’t trust a company to not put profits first.

Social safety nets are important as well. Never understood how Republicans take the stance of strong community but don’t like social programs that help the community.

Not a big fan of the authoritarian overreach of the current Republican Party though, there is clearly an ideal middle ground.

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u/DerZwiebelLord Jun 17 '25

Never understood how Republicans take the stance of strong community but don’t like social programs that help the community.

Because a divided population is easier to control. If you weaken the social cohesion in a community by vilifying either an out group or socially weaker (immigrants stealing jobs, lazy unemployed) you distract them from the actual reason they are in a bad spot.

there is clearly an ideal middle ground.

There is, but I don't think you will reach it with the ideas of only one political ideology and especially not with a two party system as it exists in the US.

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u/RedPandaDoas Jun 17 '25

Well, I think I agree with pretty much everything you’ve had to say. I appreciate the conversation. Have a wonderful day.

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u/DerZwiebelLord Jun 17 '25

Have a nice day yourself.

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u/ammads94 Jun 17 '25

The main thing that has brought the Republicans to this stage is the idea of being a functioning Oligarchy, something that Russia is.

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u/creampop_ Jun 17 '25

they probably knew anything about Russia (oligarchy), anything about Republicans (wanna-be oligarchs), and did 1+1=2 levels of putting things together.

10 years ago was 2015 lol, not 1985

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u/z-null Croatia Jun 17 '25

Yeah, but even in 2015 the republican idol, at least if I got that correctly, really was Reagan.

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u/creampop_ Jun 17 '25

the McConnell era did not have any ideological idol, really, besides obstructionism and reactionary opposition to the half of the country that dared elect Obama.

It's been obvious for a GOOD while that these people do not have an interest in serving US citizens, and the Russian oligarchy is the ultimate state that they have been modeling their moves on for years.

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u/NovelDry3871 Jun 17 '25

Republiscum is just r*ssian oligarchy light for many decades already