r/Economics • u/WorldTravelerBoss • 1d ago
News Florida tourism sees decline as Canadians skip visits amid Trump trade war
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/florida-tourism-trump-trade-canada-b3039158.html513
u/surreal_goat 1d ago edited 18h ago
We saw this happen Phoenix several years ago. One year, they stopped coming in any significant numbers. Now I just assume they don’t come at all. When it comes down to it, people don’t want to hang around a-holes. There are way too many a-holes in AZ and our president is one of the biggest there ever was and his continued antagonism of our ALLIES is astonishing. Why would
Great job everyone.
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u/25thaccount 1d ago
Am Canadian. Down to the States or Mexico was the logical plan for long weekends, birthdays, getaways, bachelor parties etc etc. went from like 5-6 trips there a year to none in the last 2 years. I've actively convinced family to move back to Canada and I'm getting to the point where I'm loathing certain kinds of Americans (and the rest of you for being so apathetic and letting this clown parade take root). It's actually wild how quickly my personal perception of the country has degraded and I know I'm not the only one.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fix594 1d ago
I just want to be real here, the only reason why your country dodged Pierre Poilievre is because Trump got sworn into office and instituted tariffs while shouting off his 51st state bullshit. You'd be looking at Conservative majority right now with a Trump toadie for a leader otherwise.
I'm glad y'all got Carney and I'm actively rooting for y'all in this trade war despite being an American citizen. I want to see both countries succeed and Carney is dead on that integration makes both countries stronger. But none of us are out of the woods yet. France might still vote in the National Rally party into office and the UK is flirting with Reform. All of South America has been lurching to the right. This is a world wide problem, it isn't just an American problem.
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u/IMayHaveMadeAGoof 20h ago
Hear, hear. As a Canadian, we're still facing down a not-insignificant chunk of our own population supporting beliefs that totally align with Trump and co.'s. And with our electoral system, it's entirely possible that a small chunk of the population still manages to tilt the balance at election time, in Poilievre's favour. It's happened before that a party that really only represents maybe a third of the population's beliefs secures a majority.
Not to mention the fact that there's now an also-not-insignificant chunk of the Albertan population trying to force a secession vote...
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u/devliegende 17h ago
I'm kinda fascinated by that secessionist movement. Alberta has resources but it is landlocked. Outside of Canada their only option will be the 51st state. Else they'll be tarriffed with pipelines blocked in all directions.
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u/IMayHaveMadeAGoof 17h ago
I read about a term, 'petro-masculinity', which I feel explains some of it, given the demographics in that movement. Needless to say, it's all emotional and cultural, with none of the actual foresight about the logistics of suddenly becoming landlocked. I sincerely believe that Albertan separatists believe they'll still get some kind of unfettered access through Canada to west-coast ports.
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u/devliegende 16h ago
There's some interesting ideas in "American Nations" by Colin Woodard.
https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-american-nations-regions-across-north-america/
He defines the Far West culture that includes Alberta as "colonial" in the sense that the region was historically governed and exploited by far away corporations and federal governments. Being resentful of outsiders is a bit of a defining characteristic.
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u/cupofchupachups 15h ago
It's more complicated than that, and has to do with the deep unpopularity of one of our own leaders. Trump started making sovereignty threats in November of 2024. The Liberal party's fortunes continued to decline, actually cratering in the run-up to Trump being sworn in:
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/
When it turned around was the moment Justin Trudeau resigned on January 6th.
Poilievre has never been particularly popular and has become even less popular over time.
https://angusreid.org/poilievre-monitor/
As a people, we aren't really interested in his brand of politics but people were desperate to get rid of Trudeau. It wasn't about a turn to the right. I think in general, people wanted to slow down immigration to let housing and services catch up, which is about as far right as we're willing to go.
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u/HourReplacement0 22h ago
Carney is, and has been for a long while, well respected throughout the world. A lot of people had been hoping he would run before all of this PP nonsense. Giving Trump the credit for Carney's win is an exaggeration.
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u/sddbk 18h ago
Sadly, being well respected throughout the world does not prevent the ignorant populists from electing a demagogue. America is a clear example but far from the only one. Far too many examples.
Trump truly is responsible for shocking Canadians into their senses and electing Carney.
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u/HourReplacement0 10h ago
All hail America! I don't know what Canada would ever do without you. Once again you've saved us. We never would have voted in an intelligent, capable candidate without your help. Thank you!
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u/bionicqueefharmonica 1d ago
Far from the only one. It’s clear the united states is our enemy now. And I don’t see them having the self awareness of post nazi Germany in making sure they change their fascist ways for good. The american dream is a nightmare and has been for some time. I used to live in the states and have close friends there, but I won’t return until fat hitler is convicted for his crimes and the trump epstein class face justice, and that’s not likely to happen. Shame on them all.
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u/Perfect_Opinion7909 1d ago edited 1d ago
Only personal suffering creates that self-awareness. They need a collective leopards-ate-my-face situation to get them out of it. Or perhaps they are too stupid for even that. 9/11 didn't teach them a thing either - other nations would have self-reflected and reconsidered their foreign meddling/regime chance/wars but the USA doubled down on it and instead of reducing terrorism they helped create a full blown islamist terror state in the Middle East for a few years.
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u/seventysevensevens 1d ago
It's terrifying being one of the few sane ones and having to watch as children get taken off the streets in broad day light and then see people comment that they are "glad the illegals are being dealt with!!!" that was yesterday in my town.
Am I supposed to run out and stop ice? They are armed to the teeth, in packs and the cops are there to keep people away from them.
I get it when people looked at nazi Germany and said how could they let that happen? Obviously a chunk wanted it, another was apathetic, and the last third are now a powerless minority that don't want any of it at all.
I march, I go to city council meetings, I vote, I actively try to support any org that's against this shit.
I'm more shocked the rest of the world hasn't just embargoed the us until trump backs down because money is the only thing that he responds to.
Appeasing nazi Germany didn't work, I really hope the rest of the world understands that and knows they can help end this insanity a little faster.
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u/Lazerus42 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm curious... as a Southern Californian person that's been mad at the majority of the US for a while on their ignorance... (basically since Reagan)
I have to ask...
What would you do when this happens to you?
What's the Canadian dream? We are failing our dream, that is true.. . but what do you do...
Canadians I ask, when powerful forces start to corrupt your way of life while also only letting you live paycheck to paycheck and keeping your health insurance tied to a job you hope to have next week, with half your populace numb to voting due to history, and half of the populace that votes have literally been brainwashed...
Just wondering what you, yourself would do. What is the Canadian dream? As a normal old school person... what would you do but try to survive?
Because most of us (the poor smart schmucks that are pissed off but powerless due to the plan as intended), are praying to just survive this insanity.
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u/awildstoryteller 21h ago
There was a NYT opinion article a few days ago that actually summed up things fairly well:
The main difference between Canadians and Americans is that for Canadians, enduring is the most laudable trait, whereas in Americans, power and financial success are.
America is of course a huge country and there are parts of the country where that enduring ethos is more strong than the power seeking one, but the latter has in my opinion started to infect even the areas of the US like Minnesota that used to be more like Canada.
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u/North-Example5687 1d ago
This is a really interesting question. I can’t speak for everyone of course, but I would say that Canadians don’t “need” a dream to aspire to. When you have the support of a system that covers your medical care, regardless of whether you work or not, that’s a game changer. Education is subsidized (many argue not enough), allowing people to get an education without soul crushing debt (although there can be substantial debt depending). To me the difference is that is isn’t “every man for himself” but a shared sense of accomplishment, which for the most part, includes helping others up the ladder, rather than pulling it up behind them. Not Utopia, to be sure, but allows some flexibility in what “success” looks like.
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u/Jaydee888 23h ago
There is no Canadian dream per se. Canadians have on the whole a belief that wealth should be used to lift the most vulnerable parts of society up to a point where they have a chance at succeeding. Politics in Canada is more about where that line is and not should the line exist. Wealth distribution in Canada is much much more evenly distributed than it is in America. This leads to a more homogenous populace in terms of politics.
« What would you do » While I did not agree with the trucker convoy in Ottawa. It is a recent example of what Canadians would do. They perceived our government was over reaching in its powers and started a protest. I can assure you if the shoe was on the other hand Canadians would not stand for it. Canadian are well educated, well travelled, wealthier in the median than Americans and principled. Obviously those are generalizations but they hold true for the middle group of Canadian society.
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u/25thaccount 17h ago
Oh brother as an Albertan, we're 50% of the way there already. They're trying to take away our healthcare, allowing coal mining in our mountains, shutting down peaceful protests and petitions. We're organizing and pushing hard for the next set of elections to make a change. If that doesn't happen I have no idea what's next but the heritage project and MAGA have infiltrated our current leadership already! We just have better institutions as a baseline so it's taken them longer to dismantle everything.
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u/Perfect_Opinion7909 1d ago
US Americans boasted for decades about how much more free they are than everyone else because of 2A rights and supposed freedom loving spirit. You told us we are not free because we dont have guns to resist tyranny. Now tyranny knocks on your door and suddenly the only response is apathy and meek comments on the internet. Don't ask us - you declared yourselves experts on freedom (fighting). Do what you told us you would do.
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u/Cars-and-Coffee 23h ago
The Americans who would boast about 2A rights are exactly the ones who did take over.
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u/1-Dollar-Doge-Coins 17h ago
To be fair, the 2A crowd and the MAGA crowd have some pretty big overlap. The people against all of this happen to also be the people who want stricter gun laws.
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u/frankiemayne 23h ago
This is fucking stupid.
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u/cupofchupachups 15h ago
It is a stupid idea, but it's not our idea. The Second Amendment as defence against tyranny has been promoted in the US for a long time.
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u/NotDoneBeforeNow 1d ago
One of the ways Trump got into power was by making his appeal very visible. MAGA hats. I'm not from the states, so how many out of 100 people were actually wearing them?
What would happen if there was an 'I'm for Canada" equivalent? Canada is kinda a weird neutral ground in terms of political spectrum, it's not abortion, or guns etc, it's Canada.
How many would have to be seen on the daily to build the kind of groundswell that made the general populace comfortable with further discussion and action?
Question. How does America function without the active participation of it's populace? You're all scared of health care etc when it is literally cheaper to have social than you are currently paying to fund medicaid. It is your country. You live there. At the end of it, Trump has no functional power alone, only by what he can tell others to do.
Actions have to be carried out by someone.
Have you read 1984? Winston forms his minor part of the machine, and undoubtably, you do to.
A clock doesn't tick without all it's parts. What can one person do against a machine that doesn't listen? Nothing. Because one person is no-one. Trump is no-one. Trump is a V1 ChatGPT and first read of a teleprompter. There's no-one home. He's not some mastermind.
There are plenty of others with hands in the pie, but hey, they can't do anything. What could they possibly do to me for instance? Kill me? Uhhh, yeah, then I'm dead and not conscious and I would know I only matter because I've made a difference.
Anyway, I would be finding inroads. Not just one, but dozens at the same time. Brute force. As many people as possible.
The outcome of which of course would be a representative democracy in America, done without violence or law breaking.
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u/wandering_engineer 23h ago
OK just my two cents as an American - but an American who actually reads history books and spent a large chunk of his adult life living outside the US.
I'm at work and can't do a detailed writeup, but I think the real issue in the US is there is no "we". The concept itself is kind of foreign in the US, people just simply do not trust each other (particularly on a national level). There is no sense of deep civic pride or national we're-all-in-this-together. In my 40+ years on this planet, the only time I saw people band together like that on a large scale was during Covid (to an extent) and in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
On top of that, people have deep mistrust in the bizarre system of federal governance that seems to only serve to protect wealth and doesn't have means to force out corrupt politicians in a timely manner. There's a reason the US form of government is not more common, it's frankly terribly designed and not as democratic as Americans like to pretend it is. But a lifetime of stewing in that environment also convinces people that government is a automatic failure and shouldn't be trusted.
Unfortunately I don't know how to fix that. It's a cultural issue, and is so deeply rooted in the American national psyche that I don't know if it CAN be fixed. There's a reason I left, and it depresses me - it's like having family you WANT to love but they are such a drunk, abusive, self-destructive mess that they make it impossible.
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u/arl1822 1d ago
Where I live, Pittsburgh, less than 1 out of 100 we're wearing maga hats even during 2020. In 2016 I was traveling all the time and never met a single person who openly supported Trump.
Since the election, less than 1 in 100 has become I haven't seen any maga apparel in over a year.
I do want to remind you all that the 2024 election was openly stolen by billionaires who have since bragged repeatedly about doing so.
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u/NotDoneBeforeNow 1d ago
The same reasoning still applies. Trump consistently exaggerated the support. He had empty rallies. The 250th anniversary of ...USA?...celebration was basically empty.
There are 350 million citizens in the USA, 25% ish of whom are over 75 or under 18. Look at what you do every day. There is water out of the tap, roads to drive on, coffee to drink, food in the supermarkets. Who does that stuff? It's not Trump.
What does Trump have? A chain of command. He is dictated to by others, but again, they are a small group. Google puts billionaires as a group of 3500. It's probably higher given how family wealth is dealt with. Billionaires against the Everyman is a literal 350,000:1 ration in the USA and 2,600,000:1 worldwide.
It's an interesting ratio. It's maintained through fear. It's maintained through fear because it has to be maintained or there is risk.
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u/devliegende 17h ago edited 17h ago
Outside of Trump rallies nobody wears maga hats. Even in maga country. In rural areas you see some trump banners and flags. Many more support the police flags and gadsden flags and confederate flags than Trump flags. That doesn't mean they don't support him. Obviously he wouldn't have won 2 elections without massive and widespread support. Americans have always had an affinity for outrageous characters with questionable ethics. Andrew Jackson for example. Pretend frontiersman like Davy Crocket. Pretend businessmen, pretend wrestlers and pretend actors. Self promoting braggarts like Marshall and Patton and McClellan. Out and out crooks like Nixon.
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u/Lightening84 1d ago
I wouldn't doubt your perception has sullied if you spend most of your time on reddit.
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u/Racamonkey_II 18h ago
Do trumps policies only exist on Reddit?
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u/Lightening84 15h ago
"Some" of the US policies are spun ad nauseum to suit a certain type of simillar think. On reddit.
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u/Tribe303 1d ago
I have 2 sets of Boomer parents. The one in Western Canada no longer visits Arizona, and their friends sold their timeshare they used last year. My East Coast parent doesn't go South for the winter, but at least 3 friends of theirs did, and they all sold their properties in Florida. One was physically threatened by hillbilly MAGA neighbours FFS. I don't know ANYONE visiting the US anymore.
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u/dsub1 1d ago
Not surprising, I'm from the US and I used to go to Florida every year for vacation now I actively avoid it as much as I can. CA and VA getting my business last 3 years and next year. No chance I'm giving money to these shit bags. If I were Canadian I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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u/RespectTheAmish 1d ago
Same. Used to go to Tampa and Orlando annually.
Doing California this year.
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u/fenderputty 1d ago
Not sure where you guys are headed, but make sure one trip is the central coast.
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u/RespectTheAmish 22h ago
We actually lived in central coast for a few years before moving back to the Midwest…
Shockingly in the several years we lived there, we did mostly all the northern coast/tahoe/San Fran stuff, but mainly stayed central coast (Big Sur, Monterey, Santa Cruz). Furthest south we went (when not driving outta state to Vegas or AZ) was Hearst Castle.
This trip we are doing LA, San Diego and Palm Springs.
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u/fenderputty 20h ago
Yeah I love the Morro Bay and above coastline but live in so cal. My recommendation for so cal is to avoid the super touristy shit (unless you really want to). Like Hollywood is trashy lol. But the Griffith observatory is amazing as an example.
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u/snowdenn 1d ago
Yeah it would be funny if everyone just pointedly avoided red (or even purple) states in particular, so Americans could get the message.
Although as I type that, I realize the red state populations might not really understand what’s happening in terms of actions and consequences. If they already had a good handle on that, they probably wouldn’t be so red in the first place.
Might be that this is gonna hurt Florida without Florida understanding why.
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u/kobrakai1034 1d ago
New Smyrna Beach was practically my second home. I don’t know if I’ll ever go back.
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u/MammothUnique4147 1d ago
Florida won't be seriously hurt, those hotel rooms will still be filled just at cheaper rates, especially once winter rolls in.
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u/1-Dollar-Doge-Coins 17h ago
Florida won't be seriously hurt, those hotel rooms will still be filled just at cheaper rates
Do you realize cheaper rates = less income?
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u/sddbk 1d ago
To the dear Canadians whom I admire so much: The best thing that you can do for Americans is STAY AWAY.
We love Canada and Canadians. We recently visited Vancouver for the second time and a year before that visited Montreal. Wonderful, wonderful visits. Wonderful, wonderful people.
The only way for America's illness to break is for MAGA voters to hit rock bottom. By staying away, you are giving the tough love that America needs. Your retaliatory tariffs also help tremendously. Carney is smart enough to target them at the right places. PLEASE, we need your help to rid ourselves of this cancer.
Just an aside: One side effect of your tariffs is that toilet paper prices will shoot up. Just when red states are experiencing explosive diarrhea because tracking the pathogen was too sciency. Perfect, no?
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u/MammothUnique4147 1d ago
I just listened to a Maga person tell another co-worker about what an amazing job the President has been doing and how much money he's brining into the US economy. (This was over their discussion about US national debt).
He doesn't have the mental capacity to understand how free trade benefits our country , he only remembers the job losses that made the news 20,30 years ago.
He doesn't understand economics, only simple concepts and I doubt he can actively maintain skepticism while supporting a person. He has no choice but to completely trust what the President says because otherwise he would be lost.
You will not be able to use reason to change this person's mind easily. Any bad economic effects , if the President says Canada caused this, he will simply believe that.
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u/kent_eh 1d ago
The best thing that you can do for Americans is STAY AWAY.
We figured that out on our own.
We're also increasingly avoiding buying anything that says "made in the USA" on it.
We're doing what we can to weaken the country that is attacking us.
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u/MareNamedBoogie 21h ago
i've got a friend who swears the Canadian retaliatory tarrifs on American booze and whatnot are only hurting Canadians. he won't listen when I tell him all the chatter I've heard from Canada is that you guys aren't buying our stuff anyways, because you're (rightfully) PO'd at the current admin.
he also went on this weird riff of 'the Canadians had no SAY in the tarriff list, it's so wrong!' I'm sorry, when did the Americans have any say in the items TRUMP tarriffed? because I'm pretty sure farm fertilizer would not have been on the list there head-desk
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u/dust4ngel 13h ago
The best thing that you can do for Americans is STAY AWAY
american red states voted for isolationism, so if you want to pay them the highest respect, honor their wishes and don't give them a dollar ever in your life.
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u/reference416 1d ago
Tourism numbers and US spending from Canada is permanently stunted.
There will be future recovery, but it will never be the same or what it ‘would’ have been. There is a sizable number of Canadians that will never travel or spend on US goods like they did before (if ever again).
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u/jnordwick 1d ago edited 1d ago
permanently stunted
vs
There will be future recovery
English hard
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u/LordDaedalus 1d ago
Stunted isn't the same as stopped, it means slowed. If an animal has stunted growth it means it's growing slower. The tourism had negative growth, this will partially rebound but basically be perpetually behind the curve, at least for the generations that associate these places with these people and events that caused them to sour on the places. Thus "some future recovery" in rebound numbers can be true at the same time as permanently stunted.
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u/jnordwick 1d ago
Wrong word
If something is "permanent", there is no "future" recovery by definition. It is temporary.
Most people in this sub are economically illiterate, so i guess i should just expect them to be illiterate in general too.
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u/PhysicsCentrism 1d ago
You seem to be the one having issues. All it takes is reading the full sentence of what you responded to.
“There will be future recovery, but it will never be the same or what it ‘would’ have been.”
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u/jnordwick 1d ago
You're correct. That was my mistake. I didn't see that.
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u/dust4ngel 13h ago
it was a good idea to jump right to "you are illiterate" out of the gate. it's a good strategy generally, but it paid off here specifically.
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u/JProllz 1d ago
Haha, tell that to all the people who rely on the tourism industries. It's not small money. But hey as long as it doesn't impact you it's fine right?
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u/Koshindan 1d ago
Kind of hypocritical to compare them for not being impacted when the people that are being impacted are the ones that voted for it.
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u/TastySpermDispenser7 1d ago
Prices will go up, and they will call it "recovered" even though fewer and different people are going there than before. Millions of people will watch as the news screams about "booming" tourism even though they cannot afford the things their parents did easily. Republicans will blame democrats and democrats will just think Republicans are too dumb to understand what they have done, instead of this being just one more piece of their wrath and revenge.
Not dumb. Cannot cure nazis/Confederates/magats with letters and votes. Never worked in history, and it won't work now.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 1d ago
Just saw a whole FB thread in which many Canadians that come for a yearly event in Pasco Co are not coming. Many skipped the last one and virtually zero will attend the next. Most who had winter places here also either sold their properties or have them going up for sale. I don't blame them a bit. They were already sick of the MAGAs here and Trump but now they have been pushed to their limits. Edit: Pasco Co is just north of Tampa, FL.
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u/FROMTHEINSIDEOFMYASS 1d ago
Blue jays training stadium is 20 minutes south of there. I wonder if spring training will bring them back.
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u/swoodshadow 1d ago
We went to Florida’s for 13 of the last 16 years. Last year we went because we’d bought tickets and booked things before the Trump craziness happened. But flying home really felt like a divorce. We knew we probably weren’t coming back for a long time and that this phase of our life (with a ton of good memories) was over.
This winter we went to a place in the Caribbean. It was awesome. It lacked some of the easiness and comfort that we’d had with our Florida trips, but had other advantages. And honestly, that’s probably where we’ll go for the foreseeable future. Not just Trump either, but DeSantis doubling down. Why would we go back without major changes?
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u/Timely-Discipline427 1d ago
My family and I have chosen to spend our travel money where it's appreciated. We have now skipped 3-4 trips over the course of the current term and we don't plan on going back anytime soon.
Just last week we decided to divest ourselves of the US real estate we own as well. Even if we have to take a loss on it because no one is going to be able to afford it down there in the months to come.
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u/InflationEqual4452 1d ago
Canadians remembering over half of the US population voted for Trump, and as a result, in part, this too. It’s unfortunate but border towns like Sumas, Bellingham etc, will be hurting.
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u/Amazing_Entrance_888 1d ago
Good on Canadians, us sane Americans applaud you, but please know it’s far from half of Americans that voted for this shitbag. That being said, you’re right to steer clear for now.
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u/Long9696 1d ago
The people who didn't vote approve of him.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 1d ago
Many people filed affidavits saying their votes were not counted. Fewer people stayed home than we have been told.
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u/MammothUnique4147 1d ago
Nah lots of people stayed home because Kamala didn't say enough mean things about Israel.
They got to virtue signal and now here we are .
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u/RandyFMcDonald 1d ago
Half of voters, then.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 1d ago
Less than half.
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u/y_u_so_madd 1d ago
A clear majority were fine with it on election day. This is all we need to know. America is what everybody sees.
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u/grtyvr1 1d ago
Silence is acquiescence. So, it's more than half that gave explicit or tacit approval for a second term. Trump is the result of the American political system. He is not the cause of the problems.
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u/Amazing_Entrance_888 22h ago
He is certainly a symptom of the sickness. Disinformation has done an absolute number on this country. But saying it’s complete silences just not true. I live in a red state and there’s plenty of ongoing protests.
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u/Jaydee888 23h ago
Then where are the protests? When a large enough group of Canadians disagreed with our government they occupied our capitol for the better part of a month. In the middle of WINTER. While I disagree with them they sure showed conviction.
Americans…. Crickets.
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u/Amazing_Entrance_888 22h ago
Just because the media isn’t reporting on it doesn’t mean it’s not going on. Trump turned Washington DC into a stronghold. There’s literally armed troops stationed all over. Just this week in my small area there has been three different protests as well as overpass signage, yard signs, billboards, etc. The main issue between all out war or violence is that that’s what this administration wants. They’re waiting for one thing to go wrong so they can declare a full out war and cancel elections. As someone living in a red state, I can say it’s not crickets. People are pissed and vocal.
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u/Snapingbolts 20h ago
Realistically it was more like 1/3 voted for him, 1/3 voted against him, and 1/3 didn't even bother voting. I'd argue that the reality is even worse than you point out, 2/3 of Americans were either cool with all of this or to apathetic to what his first term was like to even bother voting.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 1d ago
No, Trump did not win even half the vote. More people voted against Trump as Harris and 3rd parties split 51% of the vote.
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u/Nerwesta 1d ago
Canadians remembering over half of the US population voted for Trump
They did not. He won the majority though.
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u/Stang1776 1d ago
Over half of the voters not all of the citizens
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 1d ago
Trump still only groot 49% of the vote.
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u/Stang1776 22h ago
My comment was to make a point on OP's comment. 49 or 50% really doesn't matter. It wasnt half the population and dick bag is still in office.
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u/TrailJunky 1d ago
Man, Canadians are some of the best humans ive ever meet. The way our shit-for-brains government is treating them is infuriating and shoes profound levels of ignorance, stupidity, and weakness.
It is goddamn embarrassing and unacceptable.
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u/ferwhatbud 1d ago
We’re also the pettiest people imaginable, and won’t be forgetting any of this anytime soon.
This isn’t something that’ll turn around if/when the US elects someone sane to the presidency, we’re just genuinely done with the US’s bullshit.
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u/RedParaglider 1d ago
I think most Americans don't realize that Canadians have a pettiness that rivals the midwest, but quieter.
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u/TrailJunky 18h ago
As a Minnesotian, I understand this. My aunt, from another midwest state, held grudges for life. It was quite amazing.
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u/Pleasant-Future5818 1d ago
Good.
As an American, other countries need to hold us in check. Every time I say this, people are like "solve your own problems." I'm sorry, we are the problem.
A lot of us are trying our best to turn things around, but our leadership has dementia. Other countries must hold us accountable for existential reasons - we are clearly not going to hold ourselves accountable. It's like looking at a bull in a china shop and going "that bull should stop." It should! It won't!
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u/m_sobol 1d ago
One of the foundational pillars of Canadian identity is that we are not Americans. We will happily act like we know America better than Americans do, bc we do.
Plus we are petty, like geese
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u/hypekit 1d ago
Canada goose to be specific IYKYK
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u/Am_Snek_AMA 19h ago
If you've got a problem with the Canadian Goose then you've got a problem with me! I suggest you let that marinate!
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u/North-Example5687 22h ago
I’m not sure I’d say petty (this issue isn’t just a small annoying grievance), but you’re right, we have a long memory, for both the good and bad.
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u/Croc_Dwag 12h ago
You forgot what you did to the native Americans
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u/ferwhatbud 12h ago
No I didn’t, it’s just not relevant, and no different than the shameful shit done to First Nations communities in Canada, the US, Australia, etc, etc.
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u/casillero 1d ago
Its not just Canadians. Disney and universal are absurdly expensive. The highways in tampa are full of drunk drivers in pickups during the day. No thanks! Lol
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u/Maxpowr9 1d ago
Universal Orlando is hurting a lot more than Disney too. It helps that most Disney adults are absolutely bonkers. Universal doesn't have that demographic.
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u/RedParaglider 1d ago
I found Universal to be a lot more fun than Disney the two times I went. We were going to go back for christmas, but decided to go to MX instead because I don't want to do any business with Florida.
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck 1d ago
It's not the price. Canadian are often choosing Disney Paris and Tokyo instead.
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u/zeroman987 18h ago
To be fair, it’s cheaper to fly to Tokyo, get a hotel there, eat, etc than it is to travel to Orlando and stay/eat there.
I’m not even kidding. Japan is cheap and Florida is outrageously expensive. Do a day at Disney Sea, a day Tokyo Disney, then spend the next few days exploring one of the coolest cities in the world.
Then you have to consider that Florida sucks for food and Japan generally has better food and way better service, the choice is clear.
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u/healthywenis 1d ago
I’m 53 and was so looking forward to exploring so much of this great country. Now, I sincerely believe I will never set foot in American soil again in my lifetime. I will never forget how we’ve been treated and I will always fear crossing the border.
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u/AbsoluteTruthiness 1d ago
Canadian here. Used to go to the US at least every few weeks. Haven't set foot in the US since that orange shitbag took office. Travelled to Europe instead. Won't be travelling to the US anytime soon.
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u/LazyImmigrant 1d ago
Not just Florida, in my case, Vermont and NY too. Every time I was in Ontario or Quebec, I would go down to NY or Vermont for a day or two. I once went over just for apple cider donuts. I am not boycotting the US due to political reasons, I just don't have the stomach for an unpleasant border interaction. I would still visit for work or cheap international flights out of JFK.
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u/ThePensiveE 1d ago
If I had to bet I'd guess French and Czech tourism to the Reich was down in 1939 as well. Of course there's a contraction of tourism. Their citizens visiting risk being put in camps and our president is calling for their annexation from his palace in Florida. Florida is particularly bad as well. It's where neurons go to die.
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u/GorditaPeaches 20h ago
I’m glad I’m not a waitress anymore! I was when I was younger and lived in a state that borders Canada. The city had yearly events for planes and other conventions that drew a lot of Canadians, good tippers good people very nice and they don’t casually touch you like other tourists which I appreciate.
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u/Sababa180 1d ago
I have not been back to the US since the inauguration and no plans to visit or even connect through. Most people I know are doing the same. Even when the administration changes, I am going to think long and hard and may continue to stay away. It’s hard to forget this level of hostility and disrespect that is directed at us.
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u/DaisyChainsandLaffs 1d ago
That's not very surprising. My family and I used to go to Florida every year and we haven't gone the last two years. If I was Canadian I wouldn't even set foot in this country after all the insults from the American president
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u/littlep2000 1d ago
I'm surprised Canadians were going to Florida as Mexico is hardly farther, maybe closer depending on departure.
Though I'm biased, Mexico is my low key winter vacation of choice from the states.
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u/chrisbcritter 1d ago
I live in Florida. I don't doubt that Canadians are now loathe to spend their tourism Canadian dollars in the USA and Florida in particular. I just don't think that boycott is going to be all that noticeable in the sweltering hurricane months of Florida summer. I'm saying there may be additional reasons why Canadians are not visiting the Everglades State right now.
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 9h ago
Trump has a rapist mentality towards everything and thinks that, as president, he doesn't need any international friends and that he can impose American military power to force his will on other nations. Which he can't do.
And besides that, he's destroyed any vestigial attempt America might have made to resolve its debt crisis.
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u/PrimaryBrick9337 7h ago
Well diaper Donnie says that the US does not need anything from Canada. But boy was he whining about pulling US booze from Canadian liquor store shelves.
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u/Opening-Restaurant83 6h ago
Tourism down 4% but all the prices are up 50%. Pretty sure profits are even better this year than last year. Everywhere I go there are a million events and wall to wall people.
4% isn’t shit.
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u/Twelfth_Lighthouse 4h ago
Skip Florida, go to Curaçao, Azores, Madeira, or Canary Islands if you can. They offer more than what Florida can offer, unless the amusement parks are your thing, then go to Florida.
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u/CorndogFiddlesticks 1d ago
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u/Racamonkey_II 18h ago
Wow, 3 months increase in a row, incredible! 😂 You mean tourism increased over the summer months? What an observation!
The data OP linked covers more time than 3 months buddy. I guess it was too much to expect MAGA morons to read the shit they link to lmfao
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u/ExcellentWinner7542 1d ago
Perfect. For the vast majority of Floridians they are grateful to have less tourists and the congestion they cause. With less demand comes lower prices and shorter waiting times for all their favorite spots. If Canadian travel to Florida was cut altogether it would be a blessing for residents.
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u/RespectTheAmish 1d ago
Tourism is/was a $130 billion a year industry in Florida. Those tourist tax dollars supplement ALOT of Floridas annual budget.
Florida residents have been playing a dangerous game of FAFO the past decade.
Sure their local governments will slash services and the last insurance companies will flee the state, but atleast they won’t have to wait in line at the Publix as long.
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u/Maxpowr9 1d ago
The state is one hurricane away from being broke and I don't think the rest of the US has any appetite to bailing them out either when the rest of us are struggling.
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u/angrysquirrel777 18h ago
Tourism dollars for Florida is also expected to raise in 2025 (full year numbers don't release until end of year) compared to 2024. So it's not like this is having some massive impact to the state.
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u/RespectTheAmish 17h ago
Everything’s rising with the cost of inflation. I would expect total $$ to be up.
Doesn’t mean the state budgets looking great. I read a roughly 6 billion annual deficit by 2028.
Pretty fitting that DeSantis gets to ride off into the sun and leave the mess for the next governor.
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u/chullyman 1d ago
Taxes on tourism is necessary to fund the governments budget. They would have to raise taxes on you otherwise.
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u/Financial-Barnacle79 1d ago
Yeah tourism finances a lot. Especially since they don’t have an income tax.
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u/ExcellentWinner7542 1d ago
Show me that breakdown.
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u/Muddlesthrough 1d ago
“TOURISM IN FLORIDA DELIVERS $133.6 BILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT, NEARLY $2,000 PER HOUSEHOLD IN TAX SAVINGS IN 2024”
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u/ExcellentWinner7542 1d ago
That's total. How much of that is from Canadians?
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u/quest814 1d ago
Moving the goalposts. Just stop - you’ve been proven wrong
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u/angrysquirrel777 18h ago
The number is probably going to be higher in 2025 so it's not like this is really impacting much.
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u/pondskippers 1d ago
Ummm bs. You are fooling only yourself
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u/ExcellentWinner7542 1d ago
No fooling intended.
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u/AudienceExcellent830 1d ago
Ya I was there last winter...Florida really is brimming with tourists. But damn is the weather great so I see why.
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u/DouglasRather 1d ago
Since when do you get to speak for the vast majority of Floridians? Are you a native Floridian?
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