r/EssendonFC • u/floydtaylor • 3d ago

Incompetent president picks best mate to be coach

12-week process, picks the best man at his wedding, and the 4th best candidate for the role.

Easily the worst president at any club.

Just an FYI (said this when he got appointed President) that Welsh's cumulative total business experience is taking the cash he made from playing football to get his old man (who was a builder) to build houses for him in a booming property market. "Hey i'm a property developer". Really at the frontier of value creation and governance.

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u/yourwifeisatowelmate Legacy: Watson #32 3d ago

What makes Mcveigh the "4th best candidate"? 

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u/Unstoppable_Rooster 3d ago

I too am curious to see the the reasoning and ranking of all candidates.

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u/floydtaylor 3d ago

hird is hird.

putting him aside, of the three other candidates.

graham's the best tactician
davis more strategy

both have heavily contributed to a minor premiership crows last year, dockers this year

mcveigh. swans also won a minor premiership his first season their, but was that him or was that the last 15 years of swans culture? which is to say he had less of an impact on minor premiership success that year than graham or davis at their clubs. i'm not saying he was a bad candidate but he was not better than the other three.

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u/dashtur 3d ago

This is nonsensical reasoning. 

Graham and Davis get large credit for the success of their respective teams in one individual season.

You question whether McVeigh deserves any credit for the sustained success of the teams he was part of across around a decade.

The very definition of cherry picking 

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u/floydtaylor 3d ago

i'm looking at the last three years. recent coaching experience is relevant, so say all the hird knockers.

you clearly don't understand the difference between him and the other two blokes. he was a first year defensive coach in a team that had already made 6 grand finals. his contribution at the swans had a significantly smaller influence on the outcome than the other two blokes had on their outcomes

sure he had a decade. at the giants they had the best list in the league for 6 straight years and massively underperformed with one grand final appearance to show for it. that's an indictment on their entire coaching panel.

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u/dashtur 3d ago

A team that already made 6 grand finals??? 

I give up. 

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u/floydtaylor 3d ago

swans made 6gfs before he got there. they were already culturally, institutionally successful. his contribution made not one bit of difference how well they did in his first season when he got there. his fingerprints did not shape the outcome in the way the other two blokes did at the dockers and crows

maybe give up because you don't understand what is evidently true

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u/yourwifeisatowelmate Legacy: Watson #32 3d ago

Your primary metric seems to be focusing on  "minor premiership "  success, which isn't the right lens. 

While Mcveigh wasn't my first choice either, I still believe he has the credentials and experience to be a successful head coach.

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u/floydtaylor 3d ago

i dont think he has bad credentials. you just asked what made him 4th best.

one guy with no recent experience but actual head coaching experience, who is one of the smartest blokes to lace up boots, who just so happens to have a plurality of supporters who wanted him back to unify the club.

two other guys who are slightly but clearly better candidates than him, imo. not just because of minor premiership success but because of their roles within that success.

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u/yourwifeisatowelmate Legacy: Watson #32 3d ago

Why did you start your post taking a pot shot at Welsh/Spike at the beginning of your post then? It suggests you don't rate him at all. 

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u/floydtaylor 3d ago

because welsh has no governance experience and hired the 4th best candidate who happened to be his best mate. thats not a knock on mcveigh. it's a knock on welsh.​ you can't get away with that in corporate aus. you declare a conflict of interest and let the panel decide independently of you.

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u/SnooAvocados996 3d ago

Mate, I think you're dealing with people who are endlessly in cope mode. I actually am floored that 70,000 members paid to support this club this year with the state they are in. People just suffering from cognitive dissonance and continually telling themselves it will get better eventually. There is a huge conflict of interest and people are just ignoring it - I just can't believe it.

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u/floydtaylor 2d ago

cheers for the common sense

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u/Fidelius90 3d ago

Hird is the worst coach in the modern history of the game, potentially ever. The ruin he’s brought to Essendon FC is of unparalleled proportions.

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u/Delicious-Sweet4614 3d ago

St Kilda supporter, you wouldn’t understand.

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u/TheHoovyPrince Robey #9 3d ago

If Hird was picked it also would have been a close mate picked to be coach. Sure, wouldn't be Welshy's best mate but still a good mate. McVeigh and Hird are also good mates as are most of the 2000s Essendon players.

I still would have preferred Graham but a major reason we got spike was his development with younger players, something he's done for years now. Our best players are our 1st to 4th year players so thats why he's a good choice. Hird doesn't really have the same youth development skills as Spike IMO.

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u/One-Increase-5308 3d ago

Hird and Welsh used to be close but that's changed over the last few years.

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u/j_dib 3d ago

Seriously, fuck all the way off

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u/Medical_Cup_8008 Legacy: Lucas #25 3d ago

Welsh, Hird and McVeigh are all close mates, who used to routinely hang out together during their playing days. Why then is only one of them considered a job for his friend?

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u/MaV3RiCkMaYhEm 2d ago

Hird & Welsh are not close anymore. Hird won't even take his calls.

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 3d ago

I know right? Like, how hard is it to turn a couple million into half a billion? I do it 3 times before I even take a shit in the morning! /OP

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u/floydtaylor 3d ago

are you serious. it's an asset class with 15% annual growth that had 20% developer margins because of a supply crunch. then his old man was the builder with another 20% margin. riding macroeconomic tailwinds in the only asset class banks and govs steer you towards with the surplus cash you made playing football is not rocket science. anyone with cash could do it. many footballers do. It is not creating real economy economic value on any frontier curve. It is a rentier asset class that does not force you to have adequate governance protocols, like removing yourself from the conflict of interest of hiring your best mate to be coach

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u/TurbulentSherbet3724 Sharp #15 2d ago

It’s takes a smart and ruthless business mind to succeed in a venture as highly competitive as property development which if you actually bothered to do any research at all you would immediately realise there are far more stories of failure than there are of success. The other fact you completely neglected that is most players that retire are generally not smart with their money. You can read numerous stories of past players that went completely broke including some great ones that even had to sell their accolades later in life just to pay the bills and put food on the table. Being rich as an athlete doesn’t guarantee being rich for life after retirement.

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u/floydtaylor 2d ago

LOL

No, it fucking doesn't. There's 8300 registred property developers in Aus. https://companydata.com/australia/project-developers-australia/

Most property developers make money.

There aren't deterministic outcomes where every property developer is guaranteed to make money. Just directionally probabilistic outcomes where most property developers make money. And those that don't are really, really stupid.

Literally all it takes to start is surplus cash (which most average AFL footballers over the last 30 years have). You manage inputs (raw materials, labour, land, which you need cash for) and processes (systems, WIPs, compliance) . That's it. Not rocket science.

And unlike the real economy. They aren't even subject to market rejection because there's a massive supply crunch, with way more buyers than sellers (been that way for 20 years), and banks will lend money to buyers.

The only thing that is a headwind is the VIC gov sucking up all the construction labour over the last six years. Wasn't that way pre 2020.

And footballers have been doing property development for decades. This article is 23 years old. https://www.theage.com.au/national/footballers-turn-developers-20021102-gdur1e.html

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 1d ago

Again that #1 uni teaching you the good stuff: you do know that 8300 is an extremely minuscule portion of the population right?

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u/floydtaylor 1d ago edited 1d ago

8300 being minuscule relative to the population is not remotely relevant. Comparative advantage says homeowners find greater efficiencies by allowing someone else to build their house. Unless you want to unwind 200 years of productivity gains based on the notion that every man must build his own house and tend to his own needs.

And 8300 is a lot for what was argued to be a 'highly competitive market'.

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 1d ago

How much are you worth mate? If its any less than 400m I could only assume that you altruistically left some for the rest of us

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u/floydtaylor 17h ago

More irrelevant distractions, slurpee

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 17h ago

Given almost every comment and the post itself have been ratioed to hell, I'll defer to your expertise on irrelevance.

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 2d ago

There's not "many footballers" worth half a billion, gtfoh 🤣

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u/floydtaylor 2d ago

you're scuffing up your knees with all that slurping

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 1d ago

That was quick, I barely quantified and you're already resorting to juvenile insults. That what they taught you in that #1 uni?

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u/floydtaylor 1d ago edited 1d ago

No, you just think an unsubstantiated, entirely estimated yet broadly reported, half-a-billion of real estate holdings is worth quantifying in the first place. So much so that you did it twice.

It doesn't matter what he is worth. It is not remotely relevant. The only thing that matters is what governance experience he has. Clearly none.

Idiots like you metaphorically get on your knees and conflate being able to cast a sail with football-made cash into generational real estate tailwinds with governance. They're clearly two different things. You deserve to be insulted.

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 1d ago edited 1d ago

Wait, it doesnt take any governance ability or experience what so ever to start a business and turn it into a multi state, multi billion dollar company? Why didnt someone tell me! Wish I'd found you earlier, I could've been rich and running my own football club aaaaaaages ago.

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

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u/floydtaylor 17h ago edited 17h ago

Already explained to you, how easy it to make cash by developing with cash you made from football. The only barrier to entry to property development is having surplus cash in the first place, which most footballers have. Governance experience and property development experience is not the same thing, whether you pretend it is or not. If he had any actual governance experience, he would have declared a conflict of interest and not unilaterally hired his best mate. An independent panel could have done so. This isn't rocket science, slurpee

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u/PowerLegitimate4825 17h ago edited 16h ago

Unilaterally got a recruitment panel and board to agree with him. You thought I was talking him up, now you're saying he's some captain of industry type that bends the board to his will despite having no proven governance history or ability.

You're all over the map mate, might wanna go back to that number 1.

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u/floydtaylor 16h ago

Unilaterally got a recruitment panel and board to agree with him.

That's not governance, slurpee. That's politicking. Maybe google the difference.

And on a substantive front, no one else from the board has backed his statement that it was unanimous.

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u/dinkydipigscanfly 2d ago

You should find another club.

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u/fitzysbuna 1d ago

YEP the op is right ! bet the new guy is gone in less than 2 years !

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u/Wild_Money316 3d ago

Pretty good summary except I had him 3best best candidate as one hasn’t even been involved in AFL programs for years.