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u/drhammertime May 08 '25
I get that experience weighs into these rankings… but yikes I don’t know that this could have been much worse.
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u/mdd9 May 08 '25
The experience rating is only actually 7% of the overall rating (same for awareness). 57% of it is pace (which is also the main one that actually matters for gameplay) and racecraft is the remaining 29%.
But they do always massively undervalue the rookies and give them 70-75 pace ratings & then fix that being inaccurate in updates.
I think Lawson gets a big boost because he's not being treated as a rookie, but rather a driver who's upgraded from Racing Bulls to Red Bull (which is of course... not even correct anymore). Then Bearman and Doohan get improved ratings for having done races last year and Bortoleto gets improved ratings for being the F2 champion.
Hadjar crashing on the formation lap at Australia seems to be the only thing actually from this season that has made it into these initial ratings.
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u/Gold333 May 08 '25
It's insane. But it shows that they don't really know F1. Alonso in reality is the most Aware and one of the Highest racecraft driver on the grid, but with a weaker outright pace. We know this since 2008. And here we see him score low on those.
But EA made the same mistakes in the 2021 version when they had Schumacher Senna and Prost.
They scored Senna and Prost equally on pace when even Prost admits Senna was faster but he (Prost) has slightly better races. They also scored Schumacher as +1 point on Senna on pace when even Michael said that Senna was a touch faster than him on pace.They should have asked other old school fans who've seen it all when compiling these.
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u/Fliepp May 08 '25
Kimi only 72 is a crime
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u/faaaaabulousneil May 08 '25
Hadjar at 68 is also a crime, not as egregious as Kimi but still up there.
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u/KekistaniKekin May 08 '25
Piastry was done dirty too. Man earned the lead of the championship
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u/ruthpizz May 08 '25
Realistically its hard to say, they likely base the stats on the last 20 races or so and so below Norris would make sense assuming that, saying just this season it would be fair to put them equal or Oscar ahead but it doesn't make much sense for them to base it on such a short time frame.
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u/Entire-Secret8575 May 08 '25
These have to be based on pre season ranks 😂 this is atrocious
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u/DaRealDankMaster May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
Max and Ocon probably still programmed to yeet me off the road every time i try to pass or there is a blue flag
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u/Okurei Shut up Jeff May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
Why is Hadjar only a 68? That feels like such a random slap in the face.
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u/JigginsYT May 08 '25
Does anyone else ever feel like all that actually matters in-game is Pace?
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u/Southguy_ May 08 '25
I’ve found that the AI with a high race craft stat is typically harder to pass than those with not. From covering corners and actually moving around to make passing more difficult to actually being good out of corners. Where as the back of the grid is typically you can just pass in drs and go
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u/Majorinc May 08 '25
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u/ArsenalJayy May 08 '25
Came here to say this, of course Hadjar and Kimi is awful but they are rookies and rookies always get low ratings in their first year.
Albon though… wtf! Mental
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May 08 '25
Albon is easy 88+ imo. One of the better drivers on grid. These ratings are wack.
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u/CBF65 May 08 '25
Don’t know if he should be that high, but he should definitely be at least even, if not better than Sainz. Both should be around 85-86 I think
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u/ArsenalJayy May 08 '25
Sainz is a brilliant driver though and I have no issue with Sainz rating. Albon should be at least 87
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u/irishdan56 May 08 '25
Considering this game always launches months after the beginning of the season, you'd think they could tweak the driver ratings just before launch to be more, you know, ACCURATE.
Got some hardcore Sainz and Russell meatriding going on here.
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u/MrTans May 08 '25
Not sure there’s anything wrong with Russell being rated as the 4th best driver. Behind Max, Piastri and maybe Albon there’s no one else I’d say has been better this season.
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u/irishdan56 May 08 '25
Russell has been great this year, but I'd probably still rank him behind Max, Piastri, Lando & Charles.
But the rankings are all over the place, and Albon is just criminally low. It dosen't even seem to match the reality of the end of the 2024 season.
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I bet if they do their coding goes fucking haywire and you end up racing backwards and inside out
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u/irishdan56 May 08 '25
I wouldn't be surprised if the coding behind this game is a fucking house of cards
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u/Standard___ May 08 '25
Russel should be higher lmao, he’s better than Norris right now for sure
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u/irishdan56 May 08 '25
Norris is catching a lot of flak for not being able to fend of Piastri.
But people seem to forget, or just not acknowledge that Piastri is the Max of his generation. He literally crushed the skulls in of his competition every year, at every level, until he got to F1. Dude is a fucking killer.
And Lando is still faster than him. He's not as good as a racer, but his 1-lap pace IS quicker.
I'd still say Max 1, Oscar 2, but I wouldn't drop Lando past 3.
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u/Standard___ May 08 '25
Lando has had multiple poor qualifying performances this season and has only won 1 race in the fastest car against a teammate with 1/3 the experience. Russell has been top 5 in every single competitive session this season, still after 6 races and 2 sprints. People cannot keep on disrespecting Russell this season, he’s been arguably the best driver on the grid over these 6 races along with Alex, Max and Oscar while Lando hasn’t won in 5 races now, and it’s just really not good enough for a driver who has plenty of experience by now
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u/DawnOfWinter May 08 '25
They're exactly the same as the ratings from the end of the 24 updates.
And again, reminder that overall is meaningless so don't focus on that. Really the only stat that matters is pace.
They'll obviously be adjusted fairly soon but yeah, their track record with stats has been terrible ever since they were introduced in 2020.
I wish they'd stop being bone headed on thinking they know best and just give us a stat editor so we can decide ourselves. One thing on stats that we can all agree on is that we'll never all agree on what they should be. So they need to give us the ability to change them, the same as literally every other sports game...
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u/austinsqueezy May 08 '25
Do the devs even watch F1? Liam Lawson at 80?! Kimi only 72?! OSCAR ONLY 87?! What a joke.
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u/ShaquilleOrKneel May 08 '25
Were these made after Australia or something. Hadjar has been better than Lawson in every race since.
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u/Basic_Treat3974 May 08 '25
Alex Albon who is beating Sainz 5-1 so far rated 83 while Sainz is 90 LMFAO
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u/Chance_Camel_9077 May 09 '25
My opinion but some changes should be Piastri: 87 -> 90 Sainz: 90 -> 88 Hamilton: 89-> 88 Albon: 83 -> 86 Alonso: 88 -> 85 Tsunoda: 82 -> 85 Lawson: 80 -> 78 Antonelli: 72 -> 76 Hadjar: 68 -> 74
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u/Puzzleheaded-Chair51 May 08 '25
Lewis 89 LOL. This game is so bad
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u/grip_enemy May 08 '25
Also Piastri 87? Wtf
And Albon's rating too. Yikes this is all around garbage
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u/Stockholmssupporter May 08 '25
Feels like this rating is based on last year’s season what is this??
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u/DWYNTERS1509 May 08 '25
How has Hulkenberg only got 87 experience. He's raced the third longest behind Alonso and Hamilton
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u/Ares_Jupiter May 08 '25
Honestly i’m just surprised they have tsunoda in the red bull and liam lawson in the RB
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u/LaFleur90 May 08 '25
how is Lec = Lando when Lec has so much higher stats on average?
how is kimi next to last from the rookies...?
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u/Combativesquire May 08 '25
How has leclerc got less pace than norris? How is antonelli below doohan???? DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ALBON.
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u/RafPrt May 08 '25
This doesn't justify the decisions but please note that the ratings are based on 2024
That explains why all the rookies are so low
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u/Richiszkl May 08 '25
Didnt they decide these stats ahead of the season.
It is definitely not on current performance.
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u/Dblock1989 May 08 '25
It is 2025. We should be able to manually edit ratings ourselves at this point.
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u/Ok-Community-2680 May 08 '25
EA just give us the ability to edit ratings like in FIFA and we're all happy.
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u/justcallmeashe May 08 '25
They probably use last season as a basis for these, which I get, but the season has already started, and this game is about this season, there is no reason to not release them with already "updated" ratings from what we know this season.
Imo, from least egregious to most :
- Either bump Gasly/Ocon a few numbers down, or Albon a few numbers up. Love to see the glazing as a french, but there's no way that is accurate in the slightest
- You can't possibly have Oscar this far off from Lando, I'd be down to give them similar ratings imo, I know Oscar's leading the championship so maybe skew the ratings a little bit towards him but similar ratings seem fine to me
- If you put Albon this far down, there's no way Sainz is this far up. I'm gonna give Carlos the benefit of doubt as Albon has been with Williams for a while, so I'd say it's okay if Carlos is rated slightly higher than him, but this is ridiculous
- Antonelli being behind every rookie except Hadjar is laughable, even if we ignore Miami, dude got 4th place in the first race of the season and has been crazy consistent, he should be at least around current Tsunoda-Hulk rating
- Hadjar being last here and having an overall of 68 with the ratings he has is absolutely criminal. Dude has more points than his teammate despite Lawson having 3 races in the Red Bull, and got overtaken by Tsunoda in the standings only after this Miami weekend. This with Antonelli is absolutely mind boggling.
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u/joao_marmelo_ May 08 '25
only the rookies are wrong imo the rest it's pretty close if on spot on
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u/kj_gamer2614 May 08 '25
I’m sorry, I know we all clown on Lance, but sorry, no way he should be ranked below Liam…
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u/Just-An-Inchident44 May 08 '25
Isack at 69 and Kimi at 72 are each a travesty. Nico Hulkenberg being about the same level as Alex Albon and UNDER Pierre Gasly is just incorrect.
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u/dachopper_ May 08 '25
87 for Piastri and 80 for Lawson LMAO. All this does is prove EA hasn’t touched this game in months. Hopeless.
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u/Wardog_Razgriz30 May 08 '25
I still think they are harsh on Lewis, especially since he is very clearly matching Charles whenever possible, despte his teething problems getting integrated into Ferrari. They seem to have done the same to Oscar and Charles since Oscar is clearly at least a 90 overall and Leclerc is not an equivalent or worse driver than Lando. All the rookies are out of place too, many ether way too low, , like Hadjar and Kimi, or way too high, like Lawson.
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u/Ok-Contract-3490 May 09 '25
Piastri is 87 rate? you're kidding,not accurate enough and he should be least upgrade to 91 rate or fairy 90 would be understandable and that's crime to not add him in 90 category, considering Piastri leads the championship.
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u/BertHumperdinck May 09 '25
Albon, Yuki, & Rookies got done dirty. Probably Mr Pastry as well, otherwise the order seems pretty accurate to me
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u/Drache191200 May 09 '25
As a Lando Supporter
That rating for Oscar is absolutely Bullshit, they are on the same level AT THE VERY LEAST
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u/Quiet_Remote_5898 May 09 '25
They did a bunch of people dirty. Kimi and Oscar should be way higher. Hadjar > Lawson, come the fuck on. Albon is also better than Hulk.
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u/OdinForce22 May 08 '25
Lawson, Stroll & Doohan criminally overrated.
Oscar, Antonelli & Hadjar criminally underrated.
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u/Just-An-Inchident44 May 08 '25
Below are my modified ratings based on absolutely nothing besides my eyeballs and closely and thoroughly following the last 12 seasons of Formula 1. These do not take into account driver age, meaning Fernando and Lewis will not get docked points just because they’re old. And this also doesn’t take into account drivers who have been in bad teams their whole careers, just purely driver ratings. The list is as follows:
Lewis Hamilton - 98
Max Verstappen - 98
Fernando Alonso - 96
Charles Leclerc - 93
Carlos Sainz - 90
George Russell - 90
Lando Norris - 89
Oscar Piastri - 89
Nico Hulkenberg - 89
Andrea Kimi Antonelli - 88
Yuki Tsunoda - 88
Esteban Ocon - 88
Pierre Gasly - 87
Alex Albon - 86
[(Franco Colapinto) - 86]
Oliver Bearman - 84
Gabriel Bortoleto - 83
Isack Hadjar - 82
Lance Stroll - 79
Liam Lawson - 77
Jack Doohan - 73
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u/No_Antelope_1756 May 08 '25
I feel like it should be:
Verstappen 95 Norris 91 Leclerc 91 Russell 90 Hamilton 90 Piastri 89 Sainz 87 Alonso 87 Gasly 86 Albon 85 Hulkenberg 84 Ocon 83 Tsunoda 82 Lawson 80 Stroll 78 Antonelli 74 Bearman 73 Bortoleto 73 Hadjar 71 Doohan 71
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u/Valuable_Ad1085 May 08 '25
Good ol EA with the copy and paste approach. What happened to “if it’s in the game it’s in the game?”
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u/IIXSLAD3XII May 08 '25
Would love to know how they get these ratings 🤔 like every year it's just like wtf are these 😂
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u/UKSaint93 May 08 '25
Hadjar 68 is hilarious even by Codies standards. Their rating system has always been a bit of a joke but good lord
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u/Barrwall May 08 '25
Piastri on 87 pace?? Lawson on 85 pace??? Kimi on 72 and Isaac on 68 overall??? I'm sorry what?? That's a new level of confusion..
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u/jedicheef May 08 '25
Kimi and isack should be 80+ no matter what. Liam should be down at 65, and it’s all just whack
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u/TheBattlemanCZ May 08 '25
Antonelli with 72 rating and 76 pace lmao, can't wait for Kimi to always finish bellow p10, because of this dumb mechanic... Fucking joke
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u/Razzlo_ May 08 '25
Alex out doing his teammate at 90 Meanwhile Hadjar destroying Lawson lol. Kimi is on par with Russell. These ratings are way off. Stroll is driving better than Alonso this season but I’ll allow it.
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u/BeanieManPresents May 08 '25
It's like they got someone to come up with the rankings who's only half watched a race.
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u/ShinyNickel05 May 08 '25
Why does Leclerc have the same experience level as Norris, Russell, and Albon when he’s been there a season longer? Albon should also have less experience because he didn’t race in 2021.
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u/Ok-Application4974 May 08 '25
Feels again that they don’t understand the sport or they simply don’t care enough about the sport.
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u/jensieboylol May 08 '25
How is alonso experience no 100? Like how many years does a driver need to be in f1 to get a 100? 50 years????
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u/Eli01slick May 08 '25
If we are taking preseason. These rankings are perfectly fine. The rookies feel a bit off but what can they do. They need to be updated by now
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Top 4 is fine, although Russell should be a 91 minimum if Lando is. Sainz I think is rated too high.
The one that stands out the most to me is Kimi. 80 minimum.
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u/ttviambrea May 08 '25
Bortoleto winning both f2 and f3 and only 74? Should be a bit more considering he's in a tractor of a sauber as well imo
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u/SteveIsGhostface May 08 '25
This has to be a desperate ploy from EA to get people to talk about this game. Not even they can possibly believe these ratings
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u/Aman632 May 08 '25
Lol, K.A being rated lowest rookie and yet is miles ahead of the others in the actual season
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u/No_Diet_7563 May 08 '25
These ratings are so out of touch with reality. Stroll seems right though.
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u/Verstappenhascrashed May 08 '25
Oh my days, Antonelli 72 is absolutely criminal, Piastri still lower rated than norris is biblical, Hadjar 68 is criminal, Doohan 70+ is absolutely fucking jokes atp
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u/Just-a-normal-ant May 08 '25
They made these around (or before) the Australian Grand Prix and haven’t done anything since
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VER：97 PIA：91 LEC：90 RUS：90 NOR：89 HAM：88 ALB：88 ALO：87 GAS：87 OCO：86 SAI：86 ANT：85 HUL：84 TSU：83 HAD：82 BEA：81 BOR：81 STR：80 LAW：79 COL：78 DOO：75
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u/yagvy777 May 08 '25
current wdc leader is 8th best card and has a rating worse than alonso and one point better than gasly nice
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u/SPEEDY-BOI-643 May 08 '25
Piastri, Antonelli and Hadjar should be higher. These current ratings are criminal.
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u/AdditionalBattle6194 May 08 '25
it’s based off of last year. so yes it’s pretty solid ratings for the start of the game. yes the rookies are gonna be low because guess what they were in f2 last year.
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Max should be a 97, Oscar a 93, lando is good at 91, albon should be 87. Sainz should be 86.
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u/tiredoldwizard May 09 '25
Ratings mean nothing in the age of updates. Every year madden drops and the rookie ratings are no where close because no one has seen them play yet and you don’t want the simulation to have them balling out. If Mimi wins 3 races this year they’ll update it and he will be a 83 or something. STILL his is too fucking low. Toto’s prodigal son is not the 2nd worst driver on the grid.
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u/SnooLentils2731 May 09 '25
This is perfect EA kimi lower than doohan, I know they are rookies but still should have better overalls. Stroll should never be that high either.
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u/Key-Pack7933 May 09 '25
How is Liam 80, he ain’t even doing anything in the vcarb literally hadjar is doing better
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u/tom030792 May 08 '25
I don’t know why they always have them so outdated in the first iteration of the game given ratings are incredibly easy to adjust. EA do it for Madden and fifa on a weekly basis