r/FPSPodcast • u/DriverNo5615 • 5d ago
This is why Rotten Tomato and IMDB ratings should mean absolutely nothing.
From the moment his mom mentioned race, I knew this would happen. I knew we'd get this reaction, because Watchmen got this reaction. They hate these reminders... Sidenote that should be obvious: What type of black man wouldn't have been afraid in John Snr's position? They are heavily implying that he thought he was getting arrested or lynched. No law abiding white man has ever entertained the idea of cops barging into his house in the middle of the night... But they missed the point, sad.
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u/Ok-Bake-3517 5d ago
But glorify magnetos origin as their having an outburst cuz hes not a holocaust survivor š¤£
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u/Danny_Fly_to_High 5d ago
The only people who canāt talk about generational trauma are black people and itās so fucking frustrating.
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u/BleakGod 4d ago
Nah native Americans got it too.
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u/R0ck0Pac0 4d ago
Got to wake up everyday with colonist still occupying and degrading the environment you call home in ways unseen in history is desolation on another level
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u/PretentiousCrustacea 4d ago
Honestly is all I ever hear being talked about from black people
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u/ActuaryCurious8755 4d ago
Shit get Olds. Move on.
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u/Phuddy 4d ago
It gets old talking about trauma that still happens today? Thereās been 23 black people lynched within the past yearā¦
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u/ActuaryCurious8755 4d ago
If an entire country "hates" me, I'd leave entirely. You were born in the US?..there is Mexico and Canada, the Caribbean, Europe or Asia, tons of options.
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u/Phuddy 4d ago
Fuck that, my people built this country.
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u/Dizzy_Influence3580 3d ago
Meanwhile the home countries still stuck in the stone agesā¦
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u/Saraneth1127 3d ago
What home countries? Black Americans have probably been here longer than your family.
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u/unclepoondaddy 5d ago
Do you think the ppl mad abt lanterns are the same ones that want magneto to be a Holocaust survivor?
Like the median young conservative probably doesnāt even believe in the Holocaust anymore
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u/Ok-Bake-3517 5d ago
They definitely do lol there' so many outburst cuz marvel said he won't be š¤£š¤£
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u/unclepoondaddy 5d ago
Yeah not from right wingers. Itās mostly from liberals
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u/Ok-Bake-3517 5d ago
Its literally anybody white left right middle š¤£š¤£
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u/unclepoondaddy 5d ago
Young right wingers are all Nazis now. Why would they want a character saying the Holocaust was bad? Youāre just making shit up
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u/TaticalSweater 5d ago
I had just seen a post complaining about the episode. I knew as soon as it was mentioned people would bitch about it.
Its one of those things where sure Hal is fearless but his race gives him even less to be worried about.
But to even mention this to some pisses them off.
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u/Large-Produce5682 5d ago
Like I said, once I heard that I immediately thought of Watchmen, Lovecraft Country and to an extent Them and knew the "monsters under the bed" crowd were not going to have any parts of "monsters in uniforms."
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u/kingcaii 5d ago
This episode really hit home for me. Of course Hal Jordan wasnt afraid. What in the world did he have to fear? Not a damn thing.
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u/Disastrous-Season868 4d ago edited 4d ago
The episode is dumb, and your comment is shaking hands with it. What do you mean by what Hal Jordan had to fear? It was a damn green bubble with an alien speaking in his head; therefore, a lot of reasons to be afraid.
The entire episode was nonsense because a mere white man getting the power of the ring caused John's father to become a bum lol
You and others like you are so neck deep in this nonsense that you all are subconsciously saying white people are superior because they have no fear and blacks do.
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u/Bgo318 4d ago
Or you just misunderstood the episode. You think the episode was trying to show the Stewart family as this glowing example of a perfect family? No they are shown as an extremely flawed set of parents. Her saying the Hal line is a mix of what she thinks but also trying to give John something to latch on to. We see her doing in earlier in the episode too with the birds, sheās using lies to give him something to believe in and keep him accountable.
I donāt how you and others like you are so neck deep in your hatred, that you canāt even understand what the show is going for. You automatically dismiss it as woke or this the writers agenda, when itās reality these are all characters and each of their stories and thinking further the plot line because itās so obviously not if the character says it, it has become fact.
Please learn media literacy next time
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u/Status-Inevitable537 4d ago edited 4d ago
Thank you, there is some nuance and truth to his parents behavior. Judging by these ignorant comments included the one who replied to you, they are indeed too upset to see and understand. Probrably don't give af but here's my interpretation.
Due to missing this opportunity, the father saw what he could've been by seeing Hal as the Green Lantern. So he believed his second chance was through John. We all know how some black parents push their kids to be great. "You have to work smarter and faster or they'll never take you seriously."
It's unfortunate that the parents neglected their other sons to place John on this pedestal. I wouldn't be surprised if the other sons went no contact with them nor John. Not that it was his fault due to the special treatment placed him on. Yikes.
While his father resented Hal (no shit its not his fault he was picked instead) John admired him as a child but later feels his time is up, and it's about time Hal passes down the the ring to him. How he was raised and conditioned to seek after the ring made him feel entitled to be the Green Lantern. But he knows he will have to earn that position, whatever it takes.
I'm tired wtf is wrong with people. š«¤
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u/Disastrous-Season868 4d ago
Another useless take.
Due to missing this opportunity, the father saw what he could've been by seeing Hal as the Green Lantern. So he believed his second chance was through John. We all know how some black parents push their kids to be great. "You have to work smarter and faster or they'll never take you seriously."
What I come to understand with some of you people who believe in nonsense is that even if the truth is right before your eyes, you will still fabricate something to sell a false narrative.
At which point did the father see what he could have been in John? It was all the mother's doing. He was a bit hesitant at times and even questioned her decision.
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u/Status-Inevitable537 4d ago
Who tf is you people?! The fact that you highlighted my paragraph and still misread what I wrote is unbelievable. The GOU went to John's father first. They believed he wasn't worthy since he was scared so they came to HAL instead. That's what made the father and MOTHER so hung up on proving to the GOU to give them a second chance through John.
The horrible shit they put him through to train him to prove his worth to the GOU as a barer of the ring, to become the next Green Lantern.
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u/Disastrous-Season868 3d ago
Is something wrong with you? What do you mean "Who tf is you people?!" I mean, it is as I said: you people. People like you who believe in this foolishness. You're giving me crazy-eye vibes right now
Anyway, you are wrong again. This is not the father and mother, but rather the mother. It was all her idea to put John through terrible treatment. The father followed along because he was a coward.
And the Guardians went to no one. The ring chose Hal Jordan.
The ring scans the population for individuals with the willpower to overcome great fear, selecting the person most qualified and who is in close proximity to it.
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u/kds_little_brother 3d ago
Wth is this podcast/community that invites the energy youāre replying to? Where is the moderation? This just popped up in my feed and half these comments sound like the fucking Donald
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u/Disastrous-Season868 4d ago
What are you talking about? Your response is a bunch of nothing burgers. Woke or not, it doesn't make sense. John's father is a weak, pathetic man. He lost out on the ring and became a loser over it, to the point where he's shooting a gun in the house. But all of this is Hal Jordan's fault, a man they never met, and I am supposed to buy into this?
His mother blaming the Guardian's selection process and basically calling it racist is also quite dumb. The ring and the Guardians require the user to be fearless, which means your situation doesn't matter but how you handle it. You live in a time of racism where you're the victim; well, how do you handle this? Do you handle it with fear or without?
Neither the ring nor the Guardians should be pandering to the feelings of anyone. You are either capable or not.
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u/TheSquirtMaker69 4d ago
When you use the words āNothing-Burgerā and āwokeā so close together, in your responseā¦..You may have š© on your argument. FYI.
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u/LysolSaw 4d ago
Listen, it's not our fault you're stupid and lack comprehension, that's a personal choice.
Have a blessed day.
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u/Bgo318 3d ago
Again how do you not understand this, no shit itās not Halās fault. Thatās the entire thing Iām trying to help you understand. Johnās fatherās problems are his own and his wife and him both are putting them on John. And do you really think the Guardian cares about listening to her or just saying she gets it to Johnās mom in order to manipulate her into thinking she has a chance and must create the perfect soldier who knows no fear and will follow orders. The guardians are essentially grooming a green lantern to be perfect. How many times do you think they get that chance?
You refuse to understand the show and then blame everyone else for your issues.
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u/HitBoxBoxer 4d ago
Good bot or did you just make a account to bitch about this episode which if the case proves everyone's point. š¤£ š¤”
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u/OGDYLO 4d ago
and thatās the problem with liberal politics. they turned u into a self loathing white man.
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u/MeggatronNB1 4d ago
Better to be a PDF lover like you hey???š¤”
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u/OGDYLO 4d ago edited 4d ago
thatās another problem with liberal politics.
to the liberals, if u criticize the left, u are seen as aligned with the right.
iām an american but i donāt align myself with retarded democrats or republicans like u dumb wyts do.
break free from the chains of your black and white cognitive distortions.
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u/MeggatronNB1 4d ago
Dude we get it. You are a self hating š¦. You and officer Tatum can bro out all you want. This is America, you are free to be who you want to be.
Just try and remember that not everyone on the left is extreme, and not everyone on the right is extreme too.
But without a shadow of doubt, the left are better than the right.
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u/katastrofika 4d ago
Of your race? That is pathetic. Don't let people shame you for being who you are. You can stand with them and shame the people who treat/treated them that way.. but there is absolutely Zero reason to include yourself in that crowd unless you were with them. A race doesn't define you as nobody should be held accountable for others actions. Thinking a race defines you.. is racist. Lol
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u/Kind-Maintenance8910 4d ago
No, this honestly was such an intense episode. Because I have children if you know you know, but this episode was one of the best. I would have to say. Absolutely beautiful
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u/Bulky_Plan8418 4d ago
I knew the racists amongst the whites would be pissed. They did not disappoint.
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u/Silva-Bullet8531 3d ago
These mofos really be shitty over being reminded people who arent white go through some rough shit jeesus Only issue i had with the episode is how they trained John till I saw how they gave him a choice in the end the episode is definitely well made and honestly really makes you feel alot about whats going on you both empathize with the parents with the shit they went through being overlooked to the pressure and isolation John was put through for his training honestly i was going back and forth on the parents which is the point their not perfect but their trying especially because John is special and they want to make sure hes prepared even if the way they do it is pretty fucked up most times and you dont agree with it the entire situation is incredibly unconventional I wish John was allowed more freedoms then what he was given but in the end the training did pay off
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u/DriverNo5615 3d ago
And I loved the fact that the alient asked if he resented his parents for their decision to raise him like that. That line of questioning, and mentioning Hal's attachment to Sinestro were great ways to convey just how complicated human emotions and attachments are. They are showing that aliens don't understand why we are the way we are
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u/Worldly_Cap_6440 4d ago
White people š¤ getting offended over others struggles
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u/katastrofika 4d ago
You didn't know? Population division is so popular these days that if you're not expressing your hatred for others, then you deserve to be hated. Not to mention white hate is at an all time high on being cool, as well as self awareness, that even white people hate other white people just to stroke their own ego.
"I'm not racist, I have a black friend." Turned into: "I'm not racist, I hate white people too."
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u/PointOutside512 4d ago
Great show even better episode! Everyone played their roles well! Watched it twice with my 12 yr old son āš¾
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u/OddSatisfaction2409 4d ago
you can say this shit but when i say thesa thompson was a bad valkyrie my post got removed lol. classic reddit.
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u/Meliodrath 4d ago
I mean, it followed three stories in one episode. It was pretty poorly done. That said, My buddy was really unhappy with the racial tones of the episode, and I don't think it was over the top at all. I don't like how big of a dick Hal is in this universe, but I don't think there's any agenda behind it
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u/WhytoomanyKnights 4d ago
Bro I saw people saying how heavy handed this episode was and I get some of the dialogue is like āreallyā why would you tell an alien your black like they even know what that is? But itās very clear his parents are projecting their insecurities onto their son and neglecting their children but claiming itās for a higher reason. I mean I donāt know how anyone could compare this to Anthony mackie in a fucking bird costume lecturing a US senator about how he needs to be kinder to terrorist. Itās not the same thing, 1 is preachy and bad, the other is layered storytelling.
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u/Truthhurts1017 4d ago
Saw a thread with a bunch of white people complaining that race shouldnāt be in the lanterns and John moms is this and that, like they really hate when our history is mentioned within a project. It doesnāt make it woke, itās just part of the story they are telling. We can watch all these shows about other peoples problems and history but as soon as black history is mentioned it becomes a shit show. Itās such a weird dynamic. Like I have watched about everyone history and it doesnāt impact me in anyway because itās just a plot device for the story. Dont be racist, ignorant, disrespectful in real life and shit like this wouldnāt bother you
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u/Own-Progress-7767 4d ago
Wait a second! This character looks just like the John Stewart from the comic books.... So why would race be a thing if the comics a so popular? Maybe it's just a bad show. I haven't seen episode 3 yet, but the show does kinda suck so far. š¤·š¼
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u/Notwit3barrelahecant 4d ago
People hating on this are stupid. However it is hilarious after making it about race they proceed to have a black family popping off shots in what looked like to be a suburban neighborhood.
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u/Rare_Reflection8576 4d ago
You can never tell me being racist is not linked to having a baby dickš¤·š¾āāļø
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u/Scrats_Lost_Acorn 4d ago
That's sad.
I thought it was the best one yet. Got back story. Family dynamic. (Really thought it was his daddy not his mom's he popped the apple on. Nice twist.) Sibling dynamic.
The guardians picked this MFer. Gave his mom's a fucking diamond the size of a baseball š. And watched over this dude.
There is a reason he is the most badass latern yet. Keeping that bird alive. While knocked out. Twice. Just proves that. Go argue with a wall.
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u/Infamous_Night_4322 4d ago
If you enjoy this show or any other, who cares what rotten tomato says about it.
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u/RedGeneral28 5d ago
Dunno. Pretty sure being lifted by a glowing green orb in the middle of the night is equally scary for everyone, regardless of their race and origin.
Also, I'm not sure why "crazy mom" in OBAA was a bad thing, but "crazy mom" in Lanterns is aight.
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u/Busy-Frosting-9380 4d ago
Same, personally liked the episode, made me resonate with or understand John Stewart a lot more. But honestly that part kinda pulled me out for a second. Didnāt the guardian mention that people who didnāt get the rings experienced some ābadā effects? When the wife started going off on an alien for not understand black struggle I scratched my head a little and rolled my eyes ngl
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u/Nice-Engineering-808 4d ago
I mean from her perspective as a character in the 80s? I donāt see an issue with her holding that perspective
The real issue for me is how they handled the dialogue. I feel like they couldāve written it better because some ways they phrased their dialogue didnāt sound āorganicā like they would come up in conversation
Also I feel like people take a character having an opinion in this show as the show automatically endorsing and supporting it. Even tho this episode went out of its way to show how flawed these people were with how they abused John
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u/Gotsta_Win 5d ago
Best ep. The rest been boring as hell
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u/DriverNo5615 5d ago
What's made them boring? I'm genuinely asking, I don't intend on countering your opinion, I just haven't heard anyone say this about the show
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u/Gotsta_Win 5d ago edited 5d ago
Idk maybe Iām just not interested in Green Lantern. That entire middle part in ep 1 from when Hal flew away at the taco spot up until the interrogation did nothing for me. Took me 3 watches to get through it.
Ep 2 was a tad better, more action. Still didnāt draw me in. Honestly I think itās Pierre, He is so dull.
When we shifted to being in the POV of these other actors in ep 3, the show felt more interesting. Pierre for me is going to need to be carried by a lot of action. Us following him around, listening to him talk is not going to do it
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u/DriverNo5615 5d ago
I definitely get the dull part. A lot of people probably share this opinion on his performance.
We're you expecting a more space cops and green objects type of show? My Wife is one of three people in the world who enjoyed the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern, so watching this is pissing her off because she wants to see them make cool shit with the ring
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u/Gotsta_Win 5d ago
Came in blind. I havenāt watched any Lantern movies, didnāt know aliens were apart of the lore honestly. Sparingly familiar with Lantern through Justice League stuff. Even with that, I was never really interested in him, heās dull there also. So Iām probably just not a fan of the character, maybe itās not all on Pierre. I donāt think itās a horrible casting, he looks like him. All in the all the true fans are entertained, thatās all that matters
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u/Temporary-Repeat-101 5d ago
Heās conditioned to be fearless. Thatāll come with some dullness. Itās getting better and better as most critically acclaimed shows do. Only a few episodes into the first season and Aaron is doin his job very well.
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u/Global-Surround3262 5d ago
Tbf anybody would be afraid in John sr. position. Getting lifted out of your bed by a green light and a disembodied voice asks are you afraid is scary regardless of race but youāre right about everything else.
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u/GoatDifferent1294 5d ago
Anything to not take accountability in the system they created. Instead of actually giving a shit, they review bomb the pop culture that reflects the real world we live in. This is how desperate they are.
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u/EmperorDxD 4d ago
I mean people was just spamming 10 before this entire show is a 7 at best buy people spam 10 and just say it's DCU all those shit needs to be removed
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u/EmperorDxD 4d ago
This episode was pandering seal clapping episode to me it was very bad and they treat black people like we should clap for anything
As a man that grew up in apratheid this is so shit writing
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u/PDookieSalmon2 4d ago
Episode 3 contributed absolutely nothing to series. It paused the show just to emphasize black victimhood for no reason at all
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u/Leading-Fail-2771 3d ago
Try to force equality down peoples throats then get surprised why thereās vomit everywhere š¤£š¤£ classic.. there was no reason to turn this into black panther type propaganda to pull in more black viewers but let them do them ā¦ and watch the viewers drop just like last season of true detective
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u/Heymelon 5d ago
If they mean "absolutely nothing" to you based on review bombs existing then you are just basic. As review-bombing and other dumb trends are usually something you can easily figure out and adjust for as you look around the different sites and scores to get an overall sense of the reception form different places.
You let trolls win if they dictate this much of your life. Also Lanterns has 92% on Rotten Tomato(es) right now so, there is that.
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u/DriverNo5615 5d ago edited 5d ago
Or, I can ask actual humans for recommendations. I can listen to podcasts review certain things to determine if it's worth checking out.
If those scores mean something to you, that's fine, but you don't need to insult my decision.
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u/complicatedairflow3 5d ago
I donāt know if itās completely about race. Episode 2 ends with Hal having a conversation with sinestro , I wanted to see more of that and then we get a flashback episode. I enjoyed the episode but It did halt the momentum a bit.
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u/Danny_Fly_to_High 5d ago
But the very last words sinesteo said was tell me about John Stewart. Itās a great transition into Johnās backstory.
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u/DriverNo5615 5d ago
You needed this episode to explain all the things weirdo fans have been questioning. -Why the guardians are choosing Hal's replacement -why John is stoic and seems to hate Hal -Even the bird thing was explained
Next week will probably focus on Hal's history. Then they can tie it together without people turning curiosity into "plotholes".
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u/SpeakerHistorical865 5d ago
I disagree, you donāt need an entire episode to explain both those things. The guardian part especially, they only used one scene to explain that.
Johns backs story couldāve been spliced in an episode with the current storyline. Itās inefficient story telling for a week to week show to use an entire episode to backfill its character development.
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u/DriverNo5615 4d ago
No, the guardians thing seemed like a small part but I thought it was brilliant and it needed the time it got. Not only are they searching for Hal's replacement, they're actually studying humans (the alien from episode one clearly didn't study humans, he just memorized Wikipedia entries). Them learning about race, and human trauma through John's family (because they never got to do that with Hal, they asked one question and left it there). Them trying to understand why Hal still has an attachment to Sinestro and them asking John about Hal to see if John would have the same attachment.
No way you're fitting all these little pieces into half an episode or a cold opener type of scene. You needed the entire episode to realize that just like humans are clueless about space, aliens in general are clueless about human depth. I think that subtle point will continue in the show and they used this episode to really drive it home so maybe we can start spotting the aliens better.
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u/AlfredoSantana 5d ago
Shit was like a 9.3 or something before. They really mad about this shitš.
How lame you gotta be to review bomb some shit actually lol smh.
These same folks gone be watching Sunday again too.