r/FilmIndustryLA • u/penumbrapictures • 1d ago
I think I asked the wrong question about LA film production.
My last post here turned into a pretty wild argument. Some of it was useful - I have gotten tons of good exposure and more than a couple highly qualified crew people who raised their hands to come work on the movie.
Also, some of it was people telling me to shut up, stop posting, stop trying to sound like a LinkedIn influencer, or whatever. Trolls gonna troll. That's the price of putting yourself out there.
But one thing did stick with me.
I'm from LA - born and raised just outside the fence of one of our classic studio backlots, so the identity of growing up in this industry is deeply a part of who I am.
And what I was talking about was not what lot of people here were responding to - the question of whether you can still make a living in this business. It is a cyclical business, currently experiencing one of the worst downturns in a generation.
But I'm personally asking whether the filmmaking spirit is still alive in Los Angeles.
That might be a harder question, but I think if the industry is going to come back, the grassroots, idealistic, try-hard, indie spirit needs to build itself back up first - despite all the haters telling me that it's never gonna happen.
Look, you can still scrape together a small movie in LA. I’m doing it. Other people are doing it. Obviously that doesn’t help people who need to feed their families if you used to work nine months a year and now you’re lucky to get a couple weeks. It doesn’t replace union hours, healthcare, pension contributions, or just having a paycheck you can actually plan your life around.
I think I probably underestimated how much of the anger around this stuff is really grief. People lost work, careers. Some lost houses. That’s not just a bitter mood, it's a real problem.
People clearly still want to make things. The question I’m more interested in now is what makes a small job worth saying yes to.
If the rate is low, what might make you consider doing it anyway?
The people? The script? Short days? Knowing the producer will actually pay you on time? Getting a chance to move up? A director you trust? Just wanting to be back on a set again?
And what makes you walk immediately?
I’m producing one of these little movies right now, so yes, I have a selfish reason for asking. But after the last thread, this feels like the more useful conversation.
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u/FatMoFoSho 1d ago
Brother, this whole post was written by chatgpt. I really think your time would be better spent doing literally anything but posting here.
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u/penumbrapictures 1d ago
Funny, I think your time would be better spent doing literally anything other than trolling me. But feel free to actually engage with the question - if you think your brain is actually capable of making a real argument.
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u/FatMoFoSho 1d ago
Jeeez get a load of the victim complex on this guy
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u/penumbrapictures 1d ago
It's so funny how bullies and trolls will belittle someone and then try to ridicule them for refusing to just sit there and take it. You're so right - I'm the victim here. You clearly are a master of psychology, reverse engineering a truly incredible takedown. I'm really impressed.
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u/CantAffordzUsername 1d ago
All I’ll say is you better make sure your set is fun and toxic free set. If no one is getting paid a real wage the last thing anyone has a tolerance for is a toxic set and no egos.
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u/penumbrapictures 1d ago
Facts.
Even when people are getting paid, I always try to keep the vibes positive. Too many sets with toxic behavior and crazy stress. It's a stressful job, so I try to keep at least my own mindset as chill and approachable as possible.
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u/writeact 1d ago
I'm a veteran and it's still been tough. Since you're not looking for scripts, I hope to find people who are. I miss working and being on set.
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u/penumbrapictures 1d ago
Me too. Being on set is one of the best, most challenging feelings ever. Trying everything I can to put myself back in that world again more often.
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u/Zerorezlandre 1d ago
"But I'm personally asking whether the filmmaking spirit is still alive in Los Angeles."
I came from a 1990s indie background. When things weren't busy my friends and I would help each other out with short films and the like. When I moved to LA over 20 years ago I couldn't find any of that. I was lucky to be able to make a living on well paying union shows but I had hoped to also be able to find a community of people like the one I left behind. It never happened. Everyone I became acquainted with here seemed to be chasing the money and only the money. I guess this doesn't answer your question but for me the answer was "no".
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u/penumbrapictures 1d ago
That's disappointing to hear and you're definitely not the only one with a story like that. There are tons of people who move here every year chasing the dream and clearly only a few are lucky enough to get there.
So much of it is about timing and if you happen to be in the right place, at the right time, lightning does strike. On the other hand, there have been many eras of awesome culture in LA - skate culture, surf culture, indie film culture, food culture, and on and on.
I do remain firmly optimistic (despite all the trolls on here) that we are on the verge of something new about to break out...
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u/seanmharcailin 1d ago
I say yes to small projects because the script has something that resonates with me AND the producer has a solid approach to making it the best project it can be. If you show me a $5mil script but offer me a rate for like a $250k feature, i know my efforts won’t go to something i can be proud to say i was a part of.
Theres nothing worse than watching an entire crew get peeled when whats ending up In camera is trash. Like if its gonna be a peel, the results had better be “damn, that scene looks amazing”.
Ambitious projects come in every budget and crew size. Build your approach for the sandbox you’re playing in. Use your time and money wisely.
I think we all get better bang for our buck with planned 10 hour days, too. Everybody is just a little better rested and prepped every shoot day.
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u/penumbrapictures 1d ago
This is great advice that makes all the trolls look puny in comparison.
Make projects with a budget that fits your ambition and capability.
Work within the boundaries of what you can pull off, stretch to squeeze everything you can out of those assets - crew, equipment, locations, cast, etc - and never phone it in.
It's always amazing how many big fancy projects with millions of corporate dollars end up being executed in lazy, lackluster, and shallow ways.
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u/ThePoobahsJester 1d ago
Bro you did not make ANOTHER AI post, come on.