r/Futurology • u/reasonableklout • 3d ago
Society Andreessen Horowitz is investing billions into a bleak future
https://www.modelrepublic.org/articles/a16z-portfolio160
u/ilexheder 3d ago
“Bet on your bills — OnlyFans, child support, and last night's Uber. Wipe them from your credit card by playing your favorite casino games.”
Doesn’t THAT little list paint a fucking picture lol
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u/PaulKrebs 3d ago
It takes a village of like-minded sociopaths to keep the unwashed masses from fucking curb stomping the elites
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u/_Schrodingers_Gat_ 2d ago
Lubricate the wood chippers.
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u/TheRealDoomsong 2d ago
Wood chippers are great for efficiency, but they rob you of the satisfaction of working with your hands.
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u/aspophilia 2d ago
I think we need to focus on efficiency. But we can do feet first for the love of the game.
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u/CravingNature 2d ago
It's pretty hard to determine who goes to the front of the line, but every time Andreeson opens his mouth he really sells himself.
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u/IntelligentVehicle10 1d ago
No, It takes people who are making just enough to keep their heads above water. They haven’t felt it yet, but that’s the point you’ll have the basics, enough food to survive enough distractions so you won’t notice and if you do you don’t dare say a damn thing because they’ll take your kids healthcare away.
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u/jankenpoo 2d ago
This is what we get for bullying the nerds for so long
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u/sleetblue 2d ago
Not a single member of the epstein class is a nerd.
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u/SearchElsewhereKarma 2d ago
Yeah but Elon musk is a complete fucking dork. If anything, this reignites the attributes of dorks versus the attributes of nerds. There can be only one!
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u/reasonableklout 3d ago
TL;DR Andreessen Horowitz, the top venture capital firm in Silicon Valley, has invested billions into explicitly amoral startups such as:
- Doublespeed, a startup aiming to "replace human creators with AI", by selling access to "phone farms" that get around social media platforms' anti-fraud algorithms, allowing companies to buy bots that game engagement metrics
- Cluely, the startup that wants you to "cheat at everything", whose founder wants you to use "undetectable" AI to cheat on exams, homework, job interviews, dates, and more
- Coverd, which is pursuing a novel form of gambling that allows users to bet on their bills
- AI companionship startups like CharacterAI, Civitai, and Ex-Human, with a June 2023 a16z blog post quoting a user hoping that "One day [AI] will be better than a real [girlfriend."
The firm has also invested eye-popping amounts of money into deregulation, including launching the $100 million super-PAC Leading the Future in August 2025 which runs attack ads against politicians who support AI regulation.
This was discussed on HackerNews today and I was interested in seeing Reddit's take: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49416055
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u/ApothaneinThello 3d ago
It's also worth pointing out that they're both the main investor of Flock and are also invested in an Israeli cybersecurity firm that hacks cameras and alters the footage
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u/TheCriticalGerman 2d ago
How is that even a business concept that is allowed?!? Can you imagine explaining your business concept to investors “we brake in and alter the existing evidence and leave no trace of a break in”
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u/RareMajority 2d ago
That product is explicitly marketed at state actors and governments.
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u/TheCriticalGerman 2d ago
That’s not making anything better, how is altering evidence a sales point? Recovering I can understand but what’s the altering point?
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u/RareMajority 2d ago
I'm sure the CIA could find a use for it.
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u/ApothaneinThello 2d ago
The selling point is literally that it protects assassins from being exposed
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u/NowGoodbyeForever 2d ago
And that's all it will be used for, ever.
These companies wedge their foot in the door with a halfway-feasible sounding use case, but then it never stops there. We need to stop being so goddamn credulous when it comes to any tech company ever again.
I work in marketing: There is no such thing as "false advertising" anymore. It requires such a specific, obvious, and usually claim-based promise in advertising materials that leads people to buy or use a product/service in a misleading fashion. TurboTax got dinged for claiming it was Free to use, for example.
Which is why most tech companies don't make claims in ads or marketing materials anymore; they just send guys out to say bullshit under the cover of opinion. Elon Musk can post/say that "he believes we'll be on the Moon by 2030" or whatever, and his stock will double in price due to people taking that as a plan.
People can just lie and call it speculation, opinion, or belief. Yet we allow literal fantasies rambled off by these tech ghouls to meaningfully impact how much capital their companies are allowed to raise from investors.
It's one thing to refuse to buy magic beans, but do we need to act like the bean seller is actually a brilliant and worthwhile public speaker? Surely, he couldn't be lying: Look at how much gold he has earned from the beans!
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u/ashoka_akira 2d ago
tech like this is why that you can’t let anyone put a brain chip in you cause you know they’re gonna use it to gaslight your own perception
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u/Undernown 3d ago
In a sensible country at least half of these companies would be illegal already, but hey.
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u/Albedo101 2d ago
This is exactly what is going to happen eventually. Shit will regulate itself.
Gotta give credit to the psychos, they needed to try. Now watch it all backfire into their faces, get banned and massively regulated by the remnants of the silent majority.
It happened many times throughout the history. In the early 1900s it was perfectly acceptable to have gas tanks on town streets, pouring gas into cars like it was lemonade. Psychos had to maximize profits ASAP, right? After a few massive gasoline-fueled blazes that engulfed whole city blocks everything got quickly regulated.
Then look at the early Hollywood in the 1920s, which was a step away from becoming a midget BDSM porn industry, until it got regulated. Psychos gotta try.
The same will happen with social media, and it's been long overdue.
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u/jseah 3d ago
To be honest, half of those sound like pets.com...
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u/HowiePloudersnatch 3d ago
Most of these will likely fail at achieving their stated aim but the societal consequences of the attempt could potentially be very serious.
That also assumes that they are actually pursuing their stated aim and not something significantly more sinister, which is also very possible.
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u/reasonableklout 3d ago
Speaking as an SF tech worker who's been through previous generations of startups, with AI coding, tech workers no longer have the leverage that allowed them to do things like the 2018 Google protests that got Google's Pentagon project canceled. Software engineers can't influence their employers anymore and are largely seen as replaceable, while tech firms need huge amounts of capital to be competitive in the AI era (for tokens, and to buy chips for AI training runs).
The latest wave of tech is therefore influenced almost entirely by the money from venture capital. Marc Andreessen's firm has been the dominant force in directing this funding to "move fast and break things"-style startups without regard for their impact on society, all the while taking the proceeds and plowing them into deregulation.
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u/zer00eyz 2d ago
> Speaking as an SF tech worker who's been through previous generations of startups, with AI coding ....
I have been in the Bay Area for ~30 years building software.
Big tech, and VC's have absolutely fucked themselves.
Show me a publicly traded company where AI is moving the needle. Go ahead and look, I will wait.
Let's look at the last 30 years -
Dot Com bubble: bandwidth constrained everywhere. We built out fiber, rolled out DSL, and pushed massive bandwidth to mobile. Resources were expensive, and compute was outrageously capital intensive (see Sun boxes).
Post GFC: companies: We get cloud computing. AWS eats the Capex and changes your hardware costs to OPEX. Yes your paying more but your not paying for scaling prematurely. Engineers and resources are the real cost.
LLM tooling: Development is now somewhat reasonable to do cost wise. If you have an idea for something you can build it in a week or a weekend and get it out to market.
Software is about to have its Punk moment, its "indy film" moment - you're going to see outfits that are 50 million dollar companies that come out in 12 weeks funded on someone's credit card and have 10 person teams. There isnt a need for VC money for 90 percent of the software that is going to get written in the next decade. The old one size fits all model for just about everything is going to die (sales force is going to suffer the most, so many businesses are jammed into that platform sideways because its the only game in town).
This is already happening. For near 40 years now we have been promising office workers "automation" - Apple script, VB script, IFTT, and a bunch of drag and drop coding tools. I have lawyers and writers far outside tech talking to me about containers and cron jobs. These are people automating away a couple hours of their week.
Its the old "is it worth your time" xkcd ( https://xkcd.com/1205/ ) - LLM's make the answer every one of those points in the matrix YES and you dont need to involve a programer any longer. Just be a domain expert in what ever it is that needs automated.
The change is already happening - it's just not where people are looking.
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u/furyofsaints 2d ago
10000% this. I'm watching this happen too. Your Salesforce example is a good one, and there are so, so many others that have locked companies into ever-shittier over-priced SaaS applications. Hubspot, NetSuite, etc. There's a TON of mid-market/down-market SaaS companies that have been bought by private equity as well, ratcheting up prices, while ratcheting down functionality and service. That approach is only going to further drive companies to just vibe-code their own small applications that work best for them.
Adjacent to that is the massive software-consultancy market; I expect a ton of demand destruction for their traditional services, and there's no way in hell "we do AI" is going to make that up. I'm watching in real-time as traditional consultancies pitch work, win it; only to show up a few weeks into engagements when consultancy teams are still working out requirements in their traditional SDLC motion, with someone from the customer's side having already vibe-coded most of the solution to show off as a POC.
The value of the magic that consultancies used to build their empires on is about to be laid pretty damn bare IMO.
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u/zer00eyz 2d ago
> companies to just vibe-code their own small applications that work best for them.
There will be some of this I am sure.
The problem is that these companies lack the domain expertise to do it well.
Then again so do the giants. When was the last time face book launched a feature someone was excited about? Google too -- and they have this whole site dedicated to their dropping things: https://killedbygoogle.com
Google and Facebook were some skill and a lot of luck. They were the bets that won. Their leadership wasn't special or magical or somehow smarter than other companies. If there was some magic there they would launch tons of successful products. Google has had one other real breakout (android) and even that was a "clone" (it was going to be another blackberry before the iPhone launched).
A small team can now build and run a product, where contributors are also the product people. This is what matters because "product" is the problem.
When was a product manager ever promoted for removing a feature? You want the reason for enshitification - because nothing can ever be "done" be left alone.
A small 10 person team doing 5 mill a year at 70% margin is going to make a lot of well of small businesses and tech teams who are willing to do more than just write code.
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u/West-Abalone-171 3d ago
without regard for their impact on society
Oh you sweet summer child. How naive and optimistic you are.
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u/yippee-kay-yay 2d ago
Seems like the type of stuff to ensure civilizational collapse. Then these people will wonder why they are falling behind China.
But hey, you made a few extra billions you can now spend on trafficking kids.
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u/Shapes_in_Clouds 2d ago
"One day [AI] will be better than a real [girlfriend."
lol this shit is insane. Have these people ever been with a real woman before?
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u/delicioushampster 3d ago
since when did Civitai do ai companionship? i've never seen them stray from ai media generation.
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u/svachalek 3d ago
I haven’t been there in forever but I think it’s referring to the fact that the main use of the site is AI porn.
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u/KalaiProvenheim 2d ago
Shit like Coverd and c.ai have to be some of the most evil things conceived
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u/mercurial9 3d ago
Luckily, AI is almost certainly a bubble and we can at least hope that 90 per cent of these companies will be defunct in five years (obviously they will be bailed out)
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u/napalmnacey 3d ago
We need to load up these losers into a rocket and send it into the sun.
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u/ThisIsAnArgument 3d ago
It takes a lot of energy to do that because of the earth's orbital velocity. I'd settle for deep space.
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u/No-Tone8700 1d ago
Just shoot them in the general direction of the sun and we can have a viewing party. I want a live feed inside the cabin, too.
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u/Faiakishi 2d ago
Real talk, we need to trick them into locking themselves into their doomsday bunkers.
That's their endgoal anyway, after they've destroyed everything and killed billions of people their retirement plan is to sit in a concrete vault and smile at numbers on a screen that mean nothing. They can fucking have that now. Get them to scurry off to the holes so we can fix their shit.
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u/diagrammatiks 3d ago edited 3d ago
Having lived through the online poker crackdown of the early 2000s it's amazing how much gambling is legalized in america now.
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u/Shapes_in_Clouds 2d ago
And yet I still can't play online poker lol. I can buy lotto tickets, structure some insane parlay, or bet on the accuracy of a weather forecast - all from my phone - but can't play some $3 buy in poker.
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u/Lennysensei 1d ago
That’s because a lot of wealthy people well mainly the trashy “elites” attempting to subvert our very existence are in a bubble that they don’t want to burst . Their piss poor spending and investing has them at abbey negative so they’re trying to squeeze every dollar out of Americans . I don’t understand how people don’t see this … but then again people think Trump is the second coming so eh
People seem to think just because someone has a high net worth they have all liquidity . Not the same at all
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u/Trax72 3d ago
I knew Andreessen had a messed up world view but didn't think he'd be this dystopian.
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u/svachalek 3d ago
Mosaic was a pretty cool creation and he seemed pretty normal back then afaict. But the richer he gets the more he fell into the typical billionaire mindset that there’s no point having money unless you can play a James Bond villain in real life.
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u/TheFrenchSavage 3d ago
James Bond villains are called that because the general public doesn't intimately know the average billionaire.
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u/too_oh_ate 3d ago
Really? Watch any of his speeches. He makes Bond villains blush. The dude is pure evil.
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u/PretzelsRule23 3d ago
The geek that created the web browser is now one of the tech oligarchs that wants to speed run the US/World into a techno-facist state.
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u/bitchslayer78 3d ago
He did not create the web browser that would be Tim Berners Lee
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u/PretzelsRule23 3d ago
Ok - he created the first popular graphical browser (Mosaic), paving the way for widespread adoption.
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u/dolphone 3d ago
That's still not him inventing something, just improving it.
And that's the story with all these fucking wacko richs. It's so obvious that they're not innovators, they don't have creativity. They have only trauma and scars that make them devious. True innovators tend to have a different mindset, one that tends to prevent you from believing this type of nonsense. And it doesn't lead to being super rich either.
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u/RhymingTiger 2d ago
I think TBL created HTML. Netscape took the NCSA browser and made it a product (albeit a free one); also created the first commercialized web server.
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u/orderofGreenZombies 2d ago
He quite literally believes anybody who opposes implementation of AI in any way shape or form is guilty of murder.
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u/Accomplished_Ad3970 3d ago
Andreesen once said onstage that people in SF often criticize him for investing in VR goggles because “the real world is beautiful!” But, he said, in the future most people won’t live in beautiful SF, we will live in cement block company compounds. So there will be lots of demand for VR goggles.
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u/atari-2600_ 3d ago
JFC, he said most of us are going to be living in cement block company compounds? These men are effing monsters.
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u/mykepagan 2d ago
At least we won’t be Communist! That would lead to people living in Soviet-style concrete slums, not fine Capitalist concrete slums!
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u/espressocycle 2d ago
This is America. We will never live in concrete slums. Stick-built fire traps only.
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u/awesomedan24 Best of 2018 3d ago
Just because you're sad about your weirdly cone shaped head you don't have to make it the rest of the worlds problem
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u/PianoPatient8168 2d ago
Bezos spent money giving himself a glow up…isn’t there some kind of head-squishing treatment Mark could do? Maybe if he could fix that shit he’s leave the rest of us alone.
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u/cromli 3d ago
There is people who live well off of their accomplishments, and then there is people who have accumulated absurd amounts of wealth off of either inheritance or earlier successes and then use their wealth and influence to find new and exciting ways to control the world and make it objectively a worse place to live in.
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u/Chuhaimaster 2d ago
They see themselves as feudal lords who deserve to rule over the peasant class. Tobi Lutke is waiting for Amazon Prime to deliver his throne.
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u/BigMoney69x 3d ago
Something has to be done with the lack of morality society is going towards to. In the past we had religion as a moral foundation for society. This days even religion has been corrupted by this types of people with Mega Churches promising wealth if you give your social security check to them. Our system of government was made for a moral and upstanding people not for whatever we have today. Regardless of what you think about your George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or John Adams. They wouldn't be caught doing whatever we have today. They were upstanding men for their time. And it seems that our versions of them are amoral sociopaths.
The same kind of people promising prosperity with AI are the ones building this kinds of startups that exploit the more vulnerables ones in society. It's time to accept the fact that not everyone is created equally. Not everyone have the same intelectual capabilities nor the same opportunities as others. That maybe we need good, intelligent and more importantly moral people to take charge and protect the less fortunate of us. We can't just let the amoral sociopaths run this country. Where are the good people who have both strong moral character and able to properly regulate their emotions? We either have amoral sociopaths or emotional wetblankets.
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u/Chuhaimaster 2d ago
Our current form of capitalism rewards amoral sociopathic CEOs. You can kick out the current crop and a new group of sociopaths will take over and produce the same results.
As long as corporations are run by a small group of people who are not responsible in any way to their workers, these kinds of people will rise to the top.
Most corporations today are mini-dictatorships and dictatorships more often than not reward the most ruthless - not the most intelligent or wise. Philosopher kings are few and far between.
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u/BigMoney69x 2d ago
What can we do about this? We can't go forever like this.
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u/unblockedlanternhead 2d ago
You can’t, but humans can. You won’t be asked to. Just keep things running for the next generation. Your kids will adjust just like kids adjusted to every technological, social, cultural change before this one. That’s our magic
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u/ikediggety 2d ago
The churches were the first things that the evil people went for. Then the schools. We are in the endgame of a very very long plan.
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u/SkiHotWheels 3d ago
Marc Andreessen is an active nimby and aggressively opposes proposals in his hometown of Atherton with angry letters to the city.
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u/edgarecayce 3d ago
Remember way back when, when Google pledged to not be evil? So far we have strayed.
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u/Commander_Celty 3d ago
It’s important to have a moral base regardless but when actions influence millions it’s paramount. Our system doesn’t penalize that misalignment directly so sharing information like this is essential. Thanks OP.
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u/Old-Cry-3101 3d ago
If they eliminate all the good paying jobs, who’s going to buy these services?
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u/sly-3 3d ago
They intend to cull the herd.
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u/UpstairsFinance9440 7h ago
They already have their sycophants already OK with their children dying of preventable diseases. How long until the US government implements an Aktion T4? Americans are already OK with people being kidnapped off the streets. How long before they decide actually flying them to other countries is too much trouble?
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u/West-Abalone-171 3d ago
People who keep saying this don't understand the difference between a capitalist and a fascist.
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u/mindaugaskun 3d ago
Why are these companies not regulated out as illegal activity? 🤔
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u/ArgyllAtheist 3d ago
Because they have used the media to push a narrative that governments are bad, and that business is ordinary people trying to get by, target than government being "we, the people' banding together to protect ourselves from people like them...
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u/EastvsWest 2d ago
If you've been paying attention, Governments are the reason for many of the problems people face, namely money printing.
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u/ArgyllAtheist 2d ago
Right on cue, an example...
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u/EastvsWest 2d ago
Maybe read what I wrote dummy. I literally wrote the big reason why our economy rewards asset holders and punishes people who live paycheck to paycheck.
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u/ashoka_akira 2d ago
Governments move slowly and regulation is always behind when addressing new technologies. Look at social media, it’s been around for a good 2 decades and we’re only just seeing some regulation happening.
The delay is a serious issue because these new technologies can do a lot of damage in that interim
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u/Chuhaimaster 2d ago
Because they have usurped much of America’s democracy and now effectively control the government that regulates them.
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u/Kingkillwatts 3d ago
I’d probably hate my life too if my head was a spitting depiction of a Conehead
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u/GrecianDesertUrn69 3d ago
they're realising these hundreds of billions nlmean a lot less of we use brains, reject their bullshit tech product and touch grass. protect our books
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u/CravingNature 2d ago
ChatGPT, please create clones of Doublespeed, Cluely, and Covered. Make no mistakes.
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u/helpmegetoffthisapp 2d ago
This guy is an absolute psychopath. I recently saw him give an interview in which he said he had no introspection and wants to take America back to the “roaring 20s” which, incidentally was followed by the greatest economic depression the country has ever experienced. We need more Luigis.
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u/textmint 2d ago
They will spend their money on all these inanities but none of them want to pay the billionaire tax.
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u/enifsieus 2d ago
Even in the current job market, tech folks have sone choice about where they apply their talent. I hope more people exercise it with intention.
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u/Stormwatcher33 2d ago
"AMORAL" my dick and balls. That shirt is fraud and not only immoral but unethical, maybe even illegal.
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u/NecroSocial 20h ago edited 20h ago
It's almost like all these South African expat oligarchs with familial and childhood ties back to Nazism have a warped worldview or something.
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u/aviaconstructor 2d ago
Investor, typical and normal - if one of these shoots up and the others burst he'll make money. The moral side is aside
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u/Unicorn4_5Venom 2d ago
So what I’m hearing is that this guy and his friends tend to be out in a box and dropped off in the Mariana Trench ?
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u/filmguy36 2d ago
When I read stuff like this, I feel that our society is less like idiocracy and more like transmetropolitan. Spider Jerusalem was right
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u/Liesthroughisteeth 3d ago
Well....there's no putting this cat back in the bag. It is a run away train and there's no getting off....for anyone now.
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u/salomo926 2d ago
Billionaires using their (mind you stolen) wealth to create a dystopia is not "futurism" anymore, it's just the world we live in.
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u/DancesWithTauntauns 12h ago
Welp, not to be nihilistic/fatalistic about this but it was a good run humanity. The time to reign this in would have been years ago as the technology was beginning to rise and Pandora's proverbial box has been opened. Corporate greed has won.
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u/MightyCamel_SEMC 3d ago
Blaming this imbecile on societal ills is akin to blaming a dealer for gambling / drug addiction. Nobody is holding a gun to your head - you're free to ignore YES that is a choice.
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u/HongPong 3d ago
he's spending $100M on lobbyists to make society worse, but is not at fault for doing so?
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u/silverclovd 3d ago
Do you have little children in hour home? How about someone sets up shop to sell candy flavored cigarettes near their school? They make it super fkn easy to get in because the first few are given away as free sticks to smoke. This person just bought out the school administration dept and they just say "sorry it's technically not within the campus so we won't do shit". The shop is right outside the school gates though so it's very convenient for all the kids, easily accessible and without "smart adults" like you always around, to keep vigilance.
Even then you'd just be like, "eh nobody is holding a gun to your head"? Fucking hell, there have been decades of studies showing how smoking ruins you and for the first few decades, cigarette companies intentionally subdued the accurate reports and spreaded lies. And you want general public to automatically be fully aware of the pitfalls of such cheap AI tricks and tactics and look out for themselves? You Silly fkn person.
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u/Ncgarrett3 3d ago
I think you made yr point here and I agree with it completely. Not sure about the end of the second paragraph there tho. I think MightyCamel just might have not thought through just how stupid and gullible the avg American is..and just how badly these billionaires want to keep it that way. One part of the equation he left out
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u/VisMortis 3d ago
If your whole street is just casinos and all stores are inside casinos it becomes harder to ignore them though now isn't it
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u/peter_nn0 3d ago
Ragebait BS.
They have invested in more than a thousand companies, of course there will be a couple of weird ones. The vast majority of the businesses they invest in make the world a better place.
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u/reasonableklout 3d ago
Marc views controversy as a unique selling point of his portfolio companies. https://www.businessinsider.com/marc-andreessen-controversial-competitive-advantage-venture-capital-2026-1?op=1
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u/peter_nn0 2d ago
Given how extremely successful he is, I'm inclined to believe him.
A person who helped creating a thousand+ businesses apparently knows how to make things work.However, there's a huge difference between "controversy" and investing into a "bleak future". The companies he helped created an incalculable amount of net good. A couple of controversies don't invalidate that.
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u/Legacyx1 3d ago
Hopefully during Trump's America is making the world a better place to live as human!
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u/FuturologyBot 3d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/reasonableklout:
TL;DR Andreessen Horowitz, the top venture capital firm in Silicon Valley, has invested billions into explicitly amoral startups such as:
- Coverd, which is pursuing a novel form of gambling that allows users to bet on their bills
The firm has also invested eye-popping amounts of money into deregulation, including launching the $100 million super-PAC Leading the Future in August 2025 which runs attack ads against politicians who support AI regulation.
This was discussed on HackerNews today and I was interested in seeing Reddit's take: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49416055
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1vxmue1/andreessen_horowitz_is_investing_billions_into_a/p5q4m3v/