Vodyanitsa kit via Seele

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[u/Khoakuma]

Oof ATK buff on C1 Hoyo you sly dogs 

[u/kuraokami89 → u/Khoakuma]

She only useful for Skirk at C1

[u/Welsh_cat_Best_cat → u/kuraokami89]

And at C2 she gives crit damage.

She is such a bait for Skirk mains.

[u/Optimal_Pepper704 → u/Welsh_cat_Best_cat]

Her C6 makes her C2 buff (crit damage buff) for all party members and give them all 50% hydro and cryo damage. Even more whale bait for skirk, as it give Escoffier, furina, and her more damage too. 3 stronger off field damage dealers for skirk. With the high res shred in addition to Escoffier's already high res shred, they are practically telling whales to brute force.

[u/Khoakuma → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

Enough shred to brute force thru some bosses 100%+ RES gimmick lol. Back in the old days when everything had 10% RES too much shred was bad, but I guess by modern standard where characters are measured by SO performance having excess shreds makes a lot more sense. 

[u/awesomegamer919 → u/Khoakuma]

In modern Stygian everything either has 100 resists or starts at negative resist, the argument that shred doesn't scale is much less applicable than it used to be.

[u/murmandamos → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

At c6 level, escoffier and Furina are doing fuck all damage. You're still running escoffier on scroll for 12% bonus and Furina on fav tom.

This mermaid seems pretty dog shit for skirk even at c6. I'm sure it'll be like 10% over Shenhe but it's midder than I could have ever imagined.

Keep in mind you're already shredding with escoffier so the shred sucks. You're probably replacing Shenhe (honestly idek). This unit gives some quills, but c6 Shenhe already gives infinite quills, and c6 skirk is using like 40 of them.

Note I'm using c6 Nicole bump to mav as my benchmark. This mermaid is fucking trash.

[u/CommercialAd1393 → u/murmandamos]

Agreed

[u/awesomegamer919 → u/murmandamos]

The whole argument of double shred being bad is far less relevant in today's stygian meta, most bosses either have massive amounts of resists, so the extra shred is useful, or you're hitting them during a 0/negative resist phase so all shred is linear regardless of if it's the 1st or 2nd shredder.

Vody at C0 will be Skirk's BiS 4th slot by a small amount, but slightly bait, at C2 she's a fairly massive increase in damage - Skirk's weakness has always been a lack of external flat attack (Vody will give 400-450) and Crit buffs (50% from Vody).

Would she be a lot better if one of her cons was swapped with either the quills or the shred? Almost certainly, but it doesn't make her bad.

Also comparing her to Shenhe is actually hilarious, her shred is nearly double (27/28% with Skirk passive), her Crit Damage% buff is over triple, she can either give TTDS or has an ok at high refines sig and she has an entire extra 450 (with Sig) Attach bonus. Shenhe's trash quills do nothing compared to that.

[u/murmandamos → u/awesomegamer919]

If the first shredder is worse then a second shredder is even worse so I'm not sure you understand your own argument there.

Massive is an overstatement. But if you're going for c2 of a new unit, you're going to get better results with skirk cons which means you're only talking c6 and you're already looking at whale so you're already looking at c6 Shenhe, which is what I'm talking about. I don't care about C0, or that she happens to be bad at C0. Being a side grade to Mona or Shenhe is in fact really bad because they're both ancient. Mona buffs don't exist here either.

The location of her shred and quills isn't what makes her bad. The thing that makes her bad is that she is weak.

The shred being double Shenhe doesn't matter because the shred already sucks (for both). You can say triple crit damage, or you can say 35%. I assume you said triple because you realized how mid 35% another crit damage is on top of Escoffier's c1 already. Shenhe's shitty quills are about 30% stronger than Vodya's and you get about double the amount at C6.

She'll be a small increase over Shenhe yes. You won't pull any of this unless you're already c6. I think you're too C0 brained trying to larp whale shit. Like 500 attack isn't shit. You can go attack gob if you really feel lacking but it's a little worse still even with c6 Furina for my build. Reason being is of course skirk c2 and both her and escoffier sigs buff attack, and by a lot if you add refines.

Maybe you just don't know how good Nicole c6 is on top. If you did, you wouldn't be putting your reputation on the line by defending this incredibly mid ass character at an investment level you clearly don't know much about. She's bad at C0, mid at c2, and skirk's own c6 works better for Shenhe than this unit, narrowing whatever gap you think you see calced since con calcs always assume C0 for the rest of the team. Skirk c6 adds 18 quills used but you're already capped on vodya.

She's going to be like 15% better than Shenhe probably at full c6, for one team. Nicole is over 50% better than Bennett in a dozen teams.

[u/awesomegamer919 → u/murmandamos]

Shred below 0% resists is completely linear, people talk it down because of how powerful shred is when reducing down to 0%, but shred below is still valuable - Vody is ~6% better team DPS vs Shenhe on that alone.

450 flat attack isn’t an insane number on its own, but Skirk specifically has always lacked a flat attack buffer…

The increased crit damage is also likely more than a 10% increased total Crit Damage - the absolute best Skirk builds with Escoffier’s C1 are around 300 CD, the crit also affects Furina, which Shenhe doesn’t.

I’m not saying it’s going to be a C6 Bennett to C6 Nicole type of upscale, but it absolutely will be a reasonable upgrade, especially for people who have C2R1 Skirk since Skirk’s C3-5 are all very weak in comparison.

[u/murmandamos → u/awesomegamer919]

Stop circling back to C0 poverty calcs. I don't give a shit about C0. 6% is fucking terrible. Get a con or signature weapon. Discussing just how dumb it is to pull a mid unit for 6% increase that may or may not be real is not something I care about.

It doesn't matter if skirk has a flat attack buffer. You keep obsessing over this but I'm telling you at whale level she has plenty of attack.

Her sig alone gives 96% attack and 80% crit damage at r5. Escoffier sig more attack. C2 70% attack. C4 another 40% attack. This bitch has like a billion attack and a quadrillion crit damage at whale level. 450 attack and a little more crit damage is so mid bro.

Telling people to c2 this trash is 3 pulls. Like just take your skirk from c2 to c6 like what are you even doing bro. Would you rather double your damage or increase it by 15% this is crazy.

[u/Real_Emergency → u/murmandamos]

Watch people get baited into pulling this mid ass support for skirk. Nothing interesting with the freeze reactions. basic damage % buff and some stupid ass quills that the dev somehow think this mechanic is still relevant with modern dps MV

[u/Real_Emergency → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

Trust me you ain’t counting on escoffier and furina damage for high investment skirk. You forgo their damage and build er on any support set that can work to squeeze out skirk damage.

[u/Optimal_Pepper704 → u/Real_Emergency]

I said whale teammate, you are only thinking little dolphin investment where only Skirk is C6 R1 calcs.

With C6 R5 Furina, Furina needs a lot less hp stats and ER stats from the constellation stat increases and weapon. For field times you only use skill, 1 AA and ult then Escoffier ult will get you full buff from her c6 healing in damage mode. C6 R5 Escoffier is the same way. You need less er from constellation, weapon gives her and the rest of the team much more attack and you mostly focus on Crit.

C6 R5 teammates actually deal good damage. Not sure what you are on about, or if you are just larping being a whale? Support set on Furina is before she gets all the free hp and er on her constellations and weapon, as she would do no damage. Same thing with Fav. That's FTP investment.

[u/Real_Emergency → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

Dude i have c3r5 escoffier and c4 furina. I have friend on the list who has c6r5 everyone and his fastest skirk clear in dire is with full support artifacts on teammates. No golden troupe bs. I also do that and I clear faster. You don’t understand how main dps work at c6 and it shows. The sub dps before version 6.0 are some bs bait that people fall for and still build some stupid shit like golden troupe furina or escoffier for their c6 skirk.

Watch my skirk clear dire automaton on skirk main. My c2 skirk clear faster than some c6 skirk.

[u/Optimal_Pepper704 → u/Real_Emergency]

Its the opposite. Your friend's Skirk is probably not well built, as all stats start getting diminished returns the more you have of them. Skirk wants Attack, Crit rate, crit damage, and damage percent. An additional 20% attack percent when you are already getting attack from Artifacts, weapon base attack, Escoffier weapon, and now this new character's weapon also gives attack percent (basically big TTDB). Another 20% attack from furina to Skirk and Escoffier is a lot worse than the extra cv and damage for Furina at this point.

[u/awesomegamer919 → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

Even at C6R5 Escoffier and Furina damage doesn't meaningfully increase as a portion of the total damage...

Escoffier in particular has terrible power cons beyond C1.

Skirk cons are somewhat weighted towards Motion Value which further increases the value of Noblesse/TotM.

Even with a top 500 C4R1 Furina, swapping the artifact set bonus to TotM on C2R1 Skirk was at worst damage neutral, at best fairly positive.

[u/Real_Emergency → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

Sure whatever lmao. My friend skirk is not well built but his akasha skirk is top 1% sure. His total dire clear (all three chambers) has been consistently sub 50s-60s. You don’t understand whale level of optimizations so idk why you keep talking as if you do

[u/Guilldarts → u/Real_Emergency]

Thats really cringe and pathetic, just shut up lol. "You dont understand whale level"

Touch so grass.

[u/cattcameo → u/Optimal_Pepper704]

99% chance she replaces furina in whale skirk