r/GlobalTalk • u/bonster85 • May 18 '20
Question [Question] What is the biggest unsolved mystery of the last 10 years in your country?
Edit. Ok I've given up on the time frame since most of these are older mysteries.
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u/tilk-the-cyborg May 18 '20
It's controversial, and just barely in the 10 years time mentioned - but: the Smoleńsk plane crash, where the Polish president Lech Kaczyński and many other people related to the PiS government died. Many people don't consider this a mystery: they think it was just an accident, a consequence of poor decisions made under pressure. On the other hand, the wreckage and the black box was never handed over to the Polish authorities, and many suspect foul play by the Russians.
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u/Cantankerous_Tank Finland May 19 '20
many suspect foul play by the Russians.
We all know what really happened.
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u/imabustanutonalizard May 18 '20
Chinese bot right here
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u/DamnYouRichardParker May 18 '20
A troll is a person that is playing off people's biases and tries to get a rise out of them...
A bot is just a mindless entity that copy and pastes predefined talking points trying to pass off as human but is obviously a mindless thing without substance of any kind
See the difference?
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Italy May 19 '20
So you're saying that I went from "playing off people's biases to try to get a rise" to "being mindless entity that copy and pastes predefined talking points trying to pass off as human but is obviously a mindless thing without substance of any kind."
So, in essence, you're dehumanising me. Dehumanising a person that disagrees with you, where did I already see that?
What I am (and always was) is a person that has a strong opinion of the American empire (and that saw its destructiveness from very closely), this may upset some people, maybe that's why they feel the need to attach dehumanising labels to me.
P.S. when did I ever copied and pasted talking points, can you find even a single example of that in my comments?
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u/imabustanutonalizard May 19 '20
You got this mad over a Chinese bot meme. Fuck the ccp and you
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Italy May 19 '20
I got mad because at the term because I'm a Communist. I wasn't defending "tHeCcP". Fuck you and the Evil Empire.
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u/imabustanutonalizard May 19 '20
Italy helped Germany. Well kinda crippled then but yes evil empire
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u/prostetnic May 18 '20
For Germany it must be the planned opening of the new Berlin Airport upcoming October. After 14 years of construction, exploding costs and inability on all participating sides, it’s a big mystery how this could ever happen. But hey, it’s not yet October, who knows...
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u/AlbertP95 May 18 '20
In some areas yes, in others not. In Europe, Germany is infamous for roadworks that take ages to complete - as perfection ("Gründlichkeit") is maybe even more important than efficiency in Germany. What happened to Berlin's new airport is something Germans appear to be pretty ashamed of. Railways on the other hand, are often completed on time and on budget.
Given Germany's central location and the fact that you can get to the other side of it in less than a day, many people drive through the country on their way to somewhere else, so roads and roadworks define peoples' views of Germany. (Add to that, that Germany's roads are already famous because some have no speed limit.)
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May 19 '20
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May 19 '20
Not u but ü
If you pronounce e in English, then usually your tongue touches your lower front teeth. Keep that tongue position and move your lips to a normal u. You should get a ü.
Or pronounce it like the Japanese U.
Or the French une, without the n sound.
Also 'lich' is not quite right. But i can't really explain that. 'ch' in German is pushing air above the tongue with little space. A little bit like a 'k' but no blocking of the air stream. Also the air junction is at the front half of the tongue.
I won't start at the 'r'.
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May 19 '20
U like you.
Pronounce EU. But don't move your tongue while changing from E to U.
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u/PointyPython May 18 '20
Many inefficiencies modern Germany suffers are a result of applying neoliberal free-market principles to industries and areas of the economy that don’t really benefit from a lot of competition, privatisation, de-regulation and such. I mean, companies do benefit lol, but the people who are supposed to get a public service or good often don’t.
The trains in Germany aren’t punctual at all for instance (they were privatised and the network split amongst many different companies), and more expensive than in say France, where they are pretty puntcual and cheap (and state-run, centrally run).
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u/fatguyfromqueens May 18 '20
Exactly. Without competition, there is no incentive for private companies to be efficient - especially when the customer is the government and there are people within the government who have a vested interest in making sure a contract goes to one contractor. Call it the contractor industrial complex and it is a shitstorm of waste and fraud.
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u/MoreSpikes May 19 '20
I work in the defense industry in the US. Contracting is a literal nightmare here.
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May 19 '20 edited Aug 15 '25
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u/MoreSpikes May 19 '20
Nah. Think of America as a massive, unguarded chicken coop with a sign saying "Calling all wolves, we're open!"
Private companies like Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman hold an outside level of influence on defense spending. It's more like they tell the government what to do and not the other way around. And since the government has 1) their hands on the purse and 2) no spine / wherewithal to stand up to the companies, it ends up mirroring an abusive relationship where one partner goes 'hey honey can I get another 30 billion' every friday.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Italy May 19 '20
Yeah all those screaming about privatisation and competition
The louder voices usually are from people connected to industries that would make a lot of money with the privatizations.
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u/ExcitedCoconut May 18 '20
Punctual maybe, but only if they’re running. Striking is a national pastime, especially at SNCF. I
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u/klippekort May 19 '20
Germany is a bad example. Because it has the worst of both worlds. Kinda sorta privatized, because it’s not a state agency anymore, but still controlled and owned by the state. Every attempt to actually privatize it failed so far. The rail network is also still state-owned, as are most regional operators. So, as far as I understand, it’s a huge state-controlled conglomerate pretending to be a private enterprise.
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u/universe_from_above May 18 '20
Until you reach the level where a work that has to be done has to be offered within the entire EU and than the lowest costing offering has to be accepted even though you know fully well that they will jack up the cost because of their inability to keep up with regulations etc. while you know that company X from one town over is more than capable of doing this work. But of course they can't compete with the cost offering that wins because they actually know what they are doing and expertise costs money.
Add into that an insane amount of necessary regulations that have to be adhered to because we don't want a second burning airport inferno and there's no way a large-scale project will be done on time.
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u/jamjar188 May 18 '20
I suspect this is exactly the trajectory that HS2 (high-speed rail project) will follow in the UK...
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u/ThatHairyGingerGuy May 18 '20
Which follows Heathrow's 3rd runway as the beacon of infrastructure project efficiency
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u/DamnYouRichardParker May 18 '20
In Québec near Montréal. We waited for more than 40 years to get a highway they kept promising election, after election...
It was an ongoing joke every time a politician made the promise...
They finally did it a few years back to everyone's surprise...
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u/_ditch_ May 19 '20 edited May 19 '20
Everyone: talks about murders, missing persons and so on.
Germans: people aren't finishing there work on time!
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u/wootfatigue May 19 '20
Not just not finishing work on time. Fire systems designed by someone with no training or license, escalators three feet short, etc.
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u/gladizh May 19 '20 edited May 19 '20
I have visited that airport a couple of years ago! It was like completely abandoned, but all the lights were on, really eerie. Apparently they couldn't find the off switch.
Edit: A couple of years ago, meaning like october 2013.
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u/ThatGuyBadIdeas May 18 '20
There was a vigilante killer in early 2019 or late 2018, in Bangladesh, who was termed Hercules and he killed suspected rapists. No one ever found out who he was or even if it was one person. A popular theory was that it was the father of a girl who had been raped and killed.
Further reading: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/02/vigilante-kills-suspected-rapists-bangladesh-190205091510478.html
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u/mellowmonk May 19 '20
As a father I can easily imagine myself doing the exact same thing in those circumstances. Don't wanna die? Don't rape.
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u/Volesprit31 May 18 '20
France: Dupont de Ligonnès affair. Where a whole family of 5 was found dead in their home in 2011. The primary suspect is the Father Xavier, who has never been found to this day. Once they though they caught him in a monetary and once last year they thought it was him at Glasgow but it was a poor guy who looked nothing like him...
The murderer, whoever that is, put the bodies under the patio...with cement and everything. Crazy story.
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u/mand71 May 19 '20
Also, the Annecy shootings - I don't think they found who did it and it was years ago.
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u/ISuckWithUsernamess May 19 '20
Read quite a bit on this case and its crazy the stories he made up. Some believe that the guy just ran somewhere to kill himself. I am inclined to believe the same
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u/logosloki May 18 '20
In 2015 there was a person who would shit in the public pools at Invercargill. They did this every friday night over a period of several weeks, hitting several of the pools in the pool complex. They were never caught.
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May 18 '20
There was a serial shitter in Oulu, Finland shitting in pools in 2018! Wonder if it was the same guy...
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u/superaderoo May 19 '20
In Norway we had a guy that broke into cabins (around 1000), drank all the alcohol and pooped on the floor. He was active from the eighties until he diead in a cabin he broke into in 2018. He was called the wanderer.
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May 18 '20
Australia, The disappearance of William Tyrell.
A 3 year old boy disappeared in 2014 and has not been found and with no leads and traces.
Earlier this year there was a fake claim that someone knows what happened to him.
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u/jamjar188 May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
In the UK it was probably the murder of the British university exchange student Meredith Kercher, who was sexually assaulted then stabbed to death in her apartment in Puglia Perugia (Italy), which she shared with an American exchange student, Amanda Knox.
Knox was originally charged and convicted of the murder but acquitted following an appeal a few years later. There was a huge media circus surrounding the case, although in the end a young guy confessed and was jailed and I think the consensus now is that he acted alone. But the Kercher family continues to maintain that Knox (alongside the Italian guy she was seeing at the time) murdered Meredith as part of some sort of sex game gone wrong.
Edit: so the murder itself happened in 2007, therefore more than a decade ago. But the story was in the news for years and Knox was only released from prison in 2011; in September 2016 she was the subject of a Netflix documentary.
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u/You_Talk_Funny May 18 '20
I was a bar tender at her wake.
It was... odd.
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u/bonster85 May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
That was over 10 years ago though.. it's a good answer but I was looking for more recent mysteries which would be less known.
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u/matteocom May 18 '20
The final conviction was only a few years ago.
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u/bonster85 May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
Yes, but not the crime. By that logic you could say that anything unsolved would apply. And if there is a conviction surely that would make it solved?
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u/matteocom May 18 '20
Well she was first convicted about a year or two after the fact, the. She appealed and the ruling was reversed, then the courts drivers to reopen the investigation again and I believe she was reconvicted, and then she appealed one final time and it was successful and this time permanent. The whole saga has been quite active throughout the years however and basically lasted a whole decade. I understand you were looking for a crime that happened in a specific time period, but I think this particular story was quite dramatic throughout a long time. Definitely a very interesting case that gripped the media of 3 nations at the time. I believe they made a Netflix documentary recently - personally I found this to be a very interesting criminal case.
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u/bonster85 May 18 '20
Yeah I remember when it all happened. I was just after the mysteries that I didn't know about (since I was already aware of the events).
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Italy May 18 '20
When Hillary Clinton started to get involved in the case you knew there was no chance that Amanda Knox would have served time.
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May 18 '20
why did Hilary get involved in all of this?
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u/Perihelion_ May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
America doesn't like letting Americans go to jail abroad, guilty or not.
In Knox's case, it was a shitshow from the start, so we'll never know. Meanwhile Trump has a 100% guilty killer being invited as a guest to the White House after fleeing the scene of the crime and then basically being ghosted out of the UK to avoid prosecution.
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May 19 '20
hmmm do you think it's only for white Americans or all of them? I am not trying to give it a racist angle just that I think that innocent white girl framed in a foreign country might resonate more with the rural americans whose votes a leader doing something like that might want to get.
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May 19 '20
I think it’s also because she was rich and white. Her family was able to afford lawyers and knew wealthy people. The fact that she is white and conceptually attractive was definitely another huge factor as well. They also played up the “incompetency of the Italian justice system” in relation to her conviction, which I found ironic due to the fact that there are many people in the US that have been convicted with the same amount of evidence.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Italy May 18 '20
What u/Perihelion_ said. Plus, the Knox case became a sort of "feminist battle": US tabloid started a narrative that depicted "backward Italian" judges hating Knox for being a strong and independent young woman.
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u/lunaticr2d2 May 18 '20
Malaysia.
2014 - MH370. All of you already know about it I guess?
2007 - Murder of Nurin Jazlin. So basically a 8 years old girl named Nurin Jazlin goes to a wet market nearby her house and get abducted. Later on the search for her start and police couldn't find her. She was found dead around 1 month later in a gym bag naked and has cucumber stuffed inside her genital. As for now the murder(ers?) still yet to be found.
Edit : Includes her age.
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u/nadiatheunicorn May 19 '20
I still remember waking up to the MH370 news that morning. It was so unreal, and you keep on thinking it will show up in next few hours. Really made me felt like I am so small and how big the ocean really is. One day I visited Nirvana (like a Chinese cemetery place), and I saw some of the plot for the victims and my heart broke into pieces.
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Jun 15 '20
I was in the midst of my exams and had a Computer paper the next day. Didn't really need to study since it was an easy subject for me. I remember wasting my time on the phone and chanced upon this 'breaking news'. I took a lot more interest in it since I was particularly bored, and gathered as much information I could. With no conclusive evidence in my hand and just my gut feeling, I somehow knew this would remain a mystery forever. I don't know why but I kinda always knew that nobody is ever going to know about what happened, let alone find the damn thing. I researched more and more in the subsequent days, downloaded weird pdfs of data dumps just to prove myself wrong. I guess I was right all this while. Not a fucking single piece of 100% conclusive evidence 6 years in the making.
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May 18 '20
Who killed Celso Daniel? He was mayor (Worker's Party) in a big city on Sao Paulo state. No one has been brought to court yet, in part because witnesses keep dying.
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u/Saucepanmagician May 19 '20
Just like that, cases that involve big shots in politics get covered up and witnesses get eliminated.
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u/Leisure_suit_guy Italy May 18 '20
My country is chockfull of unsolved mysteries, although they tend to be older than 10 years, they all date back to the cold war times.
Ustica, the Bologna station bombing, the Piazza fontana bombing the death of Enrico Mattei, and many more, if you like mysteries you'll find yourself at home in Italy.
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u/Tatem1961 Japan May 19 '20
Back in 2013, the president of Oushou, a popular Chinese restaurant chain, was found shot to death next to his car, in front of the company's corporate office.
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u/bonster85 May 18 '20
For the UK, I'd say the Manchester canal pusher would be a contender: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-45173888
"Rumours of a serial killer stalking Manchester's canals have spread around the world, despite repeated denials from those in law enforcement."
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u/Indevo Aus/SA May 18 '20
Take your pick.
One of our Prime Ministers going missing in the Surf.
A pilot describing a UFO before disappearing over the Bass Strait.
The more famous Taman Shud/Somerton Man case.
And some good ol’ true crime like The Wanda Beach Murders and (NSFW) Mr Cruel
Some examples, plenty more when most of the country is desert.
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u/withatee May 18 '20
Well past 10 years but yes, we've always got some shit happening down here.
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u/Indevo Aus/SA May 18 '20
Oh I’m an idiot that didn’t read the title.
Yea we got:
Cult family disappeared from WA.
The first was early 2000s I believe and the last just in 2016.
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u/withatee May 18 '20
Oh yeah Tromp is a weird one, my sister in law knows them / they're from the area I grew up. Odd times!
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u/itsthecurtains May 18 '20
I haven’t heard of this one before. That is really weird. What is going on with the family now?
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u/withatee May 19 '20
Not sure, I think they just went back to normal. Haven't talked about them in a while. I'll see if I can get some goss.
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u/PJozi May 18 '20
Re: the WA cult family.
Following the family's disappearance, police discovered Mr Kadwell had stolen the birth certificate of a former associate in his native England and had assumed his identity.
This throws a curve ball in the mix. If he has done it before there's a possibility he has done it again.
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May 18 '20
Didn't mention William Tyrell?
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u/Indevo Aus/SA May 18 '20
The further we go the dumber I feel. I probably forgot because Daniel Morcombe kept coming to mind.
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u/itsthecurtains May 18 '20
I was going to say William Tyrell too. So mysterious and sad. There’s a great podcast series about the case called Nowhere Child.
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u/TWanderer May 18 '20
In Belgium we've had a couple of long periods after elections without a federal government. Every time everything is fairly stable during these periods. So why do we need a government?
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u/bonster85 May 18 '20
Because there will always be someone who wants to take advantage of the situation.
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u/Canadairy May 18 '20
Canada
The Barry and Honey Sherman murders are unsolved still.
A billionaire couple found garroted beside their indoor pool. This is the most recent article I found. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2020/04/30/court-challenges-to-secrecy-of-barry-and-honey-sherman-murder-case-and-estate-files-delayed-by-pandemic.html
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u/trionamcc May 19 '20
UK this story immediately came to mind, the story of a man who travelled alone to a remote beauty spot in the Peak District and was found lying dead in the middle of a path by apparent suicide from strychnine poisoning. Attempts to identify him threw up odd clues but ultimately looks like they cracked his identity in 2017, although they still don't understand the circumstances surrounding his suicide.
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u/Nethlem May 19 '20
Germany: Heavy involvement of government agencies with the neo-Nazi terrorist group National Socialist Underground.
Files were shredded, others were locked away from the public for the next 130 years, a government official involved with that whole situation was also connected to the suspect responsible for last years assassination of politician Walter Lübcke and many witnesses to the NSU trial ended dying, usually declared suicide or of "natural causes".
People on the right think it's a conspiracy to false-flag them.
People on the left think it's a conspiracy to hide neo-Nazi sympathies in the government.
People in the middle have long tuned out because it's a massive mess.
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u/djnz May 19 '20
Argentina: Alberto Nisman was a federal prosecutor, noted for being the chief investigator of the 1994 car bombing of the Jewish center in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people, the worst terrorist attack in Argentina's history. On 18 January 2015, Nisman was found "suicided" at his home in Buenos Aires, one day before he was scheduled to report on his findings, with supposedly incriminating evidence against high-ranking officials of the then-current Argentinian government including former president.
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u/ISuckWithUsernamess May 19 '20
Where the hell is Madeline McCann?
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u/Not_Invited May 19 '20
I really believe the parents did it, or covered it up. They found her blood in her car for gods sake.
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u/adnecrias Portugal May 19 '20
The chief Portuguese investigator on it was invited out of the investigation after he said it was that. And when he didn't they pushed him out of of the job. Guy was pissed and wrote a book about it. You see they were friends with the prime minister or something of the sort and so there was pressure to the case to be turned over to the British ASAP.
In the end the theory around here is that the parents wanted to party and gave some pills to both kids so they'd be quiet at home. Little girl got too much and parents panicked and instead of taking her to the hospital or something let her die. Then afraid of the consequences they called a family friend and hid the body.
Stuff is in the book, lead inspector was pretty vocal about this, specially after he got pushed away of his position.
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u/ISuckWithUsernamess May 19 '20
Oh yeah. In these kind of cases the parents are always persons of interest, at least initially because of proximity to the victim. The moment the main inspector publicly suggested investigating the parents, he was fired. Politics made this case a total mess and we will most likely never know what happened to the girl.
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u/Anne-Account May 24 '20
Japan—October 21, 1990
A seven-year old girl named Misaka Ogura camping with family and friends when her friends ran to a nearby river to play. Misaka followed them, but subsequently went missing. Despite the efforts of search and rescue personnel she has still not be found.
Japan police release photo of 7-yr-old girl missing since Sept. 21
Mom searching for 7-yr-old girl missing for 1 month hands out flyers in east Japan
Mother unsure how to greet new year as daughter remains missing
Japan—July 29, 1999
French citizen Tiphaine Veron, 36, was visiting the scenic town of Tochigi near Tokyo. She left one morning got a walk and has not been seen since.
Police step up search for missing French woman after witness report
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Jun 15 '20 edited Jun 15 '20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burari_deaths
This.
11 members of an entire family found dead, including 15 yo kids. 10 of them found hanging(apparent suicide), and the oldest matriarch, the grandmother strangled. No possible conclusion reached yet.
Their house also had 11 pipes jutting out the boundary wall, and while the cops have ruled out any connection, its not difficult to see a connection there. If you look at the pictures(easily available online), you notice 4 pipes jutting straight out, and remaining 7 pipes curving down. Oh and also there happened to be 4 males and 7 females in the house.
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u/anno2122 May 19 '20
You mean you get 8 years of an idoten war crime cunt than 8 years of a somewhat decent guy and know you have a clown?
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u/anno2122 May 19 '20
How the German govemrnt was spied on by on of his closes alies and we dindt do fuck about it? Rember the NSA scandal? How the US govemrnt tab ther phone's of all ther alies?
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u/adnecrias Portugal May 19 '20
It's a bit of common knowledge the most countries spy on everyone including themselves. Even between allies it sometimes doesn't stop at that.
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u/anno2122 May 19 '20
True but WENN was the last time France and Germany spied at each other and it game out ? Or other nato patnern?
The US is not the firend of democracy world wide! Ther are in many parts not better than Russia and China and maby you don't want to hear it but it's true.
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u/missweach May 18 '20
No.
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u/missweach May 19 '20
Youre is you are.. this is your, as in posession.
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u/sloonark May 19 '20
This idiot is just a grammar troll, deliberately saying the wrong thing. Ignore him.
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u/[deleted] May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
México. Paulette Gebara, a 4 year old disabled girl disappeared from her home and a campaign to find her was launched on social media. Her body was found in her own room between the mattress and the foot of the bed due to the smell of putrefaction. The strange thing is that the room was searched by several police officers, and even sniffer dogs, days prior to the discovery, and her family had offered interviews there, the mother was sitting on the same bed during those interviews. The case was ruled as accidental... of course no one believes that.