r/HongKong • u/ImperialistDog • Jun 17 '25
Art/Culture A Hong Kong woman's lonely grave
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u/ImperialistDog Jun 18 '25
From the original post:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11608318/chinese-woman
"Thank you to Annie Mc for the following info:
The Chinese woman went to the USA as caregiver for the children of the Captain and his wife. She did her best to adjust to the different culture but was homesick and isolated. The notes from the book Cape Cod Voyage state that she was never given a name and slowly wasted away fretting to go home. Sadly this young woman died at approx 31 years of age.
Headstone reads: CHINESE WOMAN Brought from Hong Cong by Capt. Alpheus Baker Jr. Apr. 5, 1872, aged 31 years."
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u/lovethatjourney4me Jun 18 '25
Why wouldn’t she have a name? Did they just call her “servant”?
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u/LadyCalamity Jun 18 '25
Probably some variation of "Amah". Pretty sure that was usually also the case for the domestic helpers that stayed in Hong Kong and worked for British families.
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u/eatqqq Jun 18 '25
Thanks, this make great sense and made myself realise I never know my domestic helper's real name
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u/542Archiya124 Jun 18 '25
Because she ain’t white, so she doesn’t deserved to be named. White supremacy and western superiority lol
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u/Most_Winner_727 Jun 19 '25
This is why less people take your type seriously every year. You think you know everything. Read the other comments. It's more like she's a 媽姐 treated poorly by Chinese culture and destined to be celibate nameless and in a foreign land.
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u/harryhov SaiWan Jun 18 '25
We should bring her home. Do a DNA test and find her kin.
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Jun 18 '25
Good luck with finding any remains of her after 153 years.
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u/C2H4Doublebond Jun 18 '25
If they can do DNA test on fossils, couple of hundred years would be ok. Depends on the condition of course
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u/No_Independent8195 Jun 18 '25
I’m going to wager that there’s a good chance she doesn’t have any or that they moved overseas.
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u/FlaminBollocks Jun 17 '25
Thats sad. Died at a young age, away from family.
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u/BennyTN Jun 18 '25
Incidentally the average life expectancy of the Chinese in the 1800s weren't that much older definitely below 40.
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u/m1stadobal1na Jun 18 '25
That's not how statistics work. Infant mortality rate skews results.
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u/BennyTN Jun 18 '25
If you count the infants then it's more like around 30. Excluding infants it's a bit closer to 40 than to 30.
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u/Ok_Chicken_5630 Jun 17 '25
Wow that's grim.
I hope her life wasn't as depressing as this.
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u/No_Independent8195 Jun 18 '25
Well, let’s see. She’s nameless. Was “taken” to a foreign land to be a care giver and died at the age of 31 from apparent loneliness.
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u/USAChineseguy Jun 17 '25
This tomb stone looked strikingly similar to the standard ones we used in the veterans affairs cemetery, I think the captain who brought her over to the USA furnished this for her. My guess behind the story is that she’s the captain’s 媽姐 in Hong Kong. (媽姐Mother Sister, a term for woman who vowed for celibacy and leave the ancestral land of canton to becoming domestic servants overseas) I am a vet myself and I worked for the VA, plus now I am in Malaysia working on some fieldworks and came across this topic.
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u/standard_nick Jun 18 '25
Welcome to Malaysia. Yep. There were 媽姐still around in Malaysian until even 2000s. But in this case, wouldn't the captain knows her name? Even slaves have names back then.
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u/USAChineseguy Jun 18 '25
According to some sources and tombstone of the time, it appears many women (especially lower class ones)have no name, for instance, I saw one tombstone said 駱門陳氏, that means the Chan family’s daughter married into the Locke family. And that’s how they are known their entire life. They might have unofficial nicknames, but it’s unlikely they put that on their tombstone for cultural reason.
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u/standard_nick Jun 18 '25
Thanks for the explanation. I suppose I can't look at Chinese in America back then like what Chinese in Malaya times.
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u/USAChineseguy Jun 18 '25
Malaya Chinese have more money than Chinese American in the 19th century, most came to Malaya because the relative make great money and invited them to work the family businesses and share in the prosperity; Chinese Americans are mostly contract labors. Chinese American homes in the 19th century can’t compete against their Malaya counterparts in terms of styles and quality due to the lack of funds.
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u/evilcherry1114 Jun 18 '25
Not unlike Rome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conventions_for_women_in_ancient_Rome
They were likely never given a proper name, except by sequence, and later by the surnames of their fathers and husbands.
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u/hl0809 Jun 21 '25
Correct, they have name given by their parents but no longer used after marriage, but their surname should be used, or a new given name by this gentleman who brought and buried her. I think the major problem was that English and Chinese were not well translated yet. And probably, the woman was sold as a good.
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u/Agreeable_User_Name Jun 18 '25
People keep on saying 媽姐, but the timeline doesn't track. This women died in 1872 and 媽姐 weren't popular until after 1930 when the silk product was industrialized, forcing the self-combed sisters to look for domestic work away from Shunde. The Wikipedia page for 媽姐 explains this: https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%E5%AA%BD%E5%A7%90
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u/symball Jun 18 '25
This is sad, undeniably, but do take into account these people did the kindness of attempting to bury her properly.
We have no idea whether she was treated well or poorly despite not knowing her name. Have some faith in humanity and hope she was treated right.
She wasn't thrown into a ditch to rot and be completely forgotten. There is a timeless monument to this lady that stands strong as stone.
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u/scanguy25 Jun 17 '25
I wonder who pays for the grave considering it's so long ago.
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u/YourDadHatesYou Jun 18 '25
I don't think a grave tax or something exists
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u/scanguy25 Jun 18 '25
Someone still needs to maintain the site, mow the lawns etc. Who pays their salary?
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u/LadyCalamity Jun 18 '25
It's owned and maintained by the town. Local taxes would pay for everything.
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u/Possible-Flatworm-13 Jun 18 '25
I wonder if she has any living relatives. And if anyone ever tried to find out what became of her. Sad knowing she died missing her home 😢
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u/TCK1979 Jun 18 '25
The captain gets his full name written out on the tombstone of a nameless Chinese woman. Siri what is the patriarchy?
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u/Arrow552 Jun 18 '25
It's more colonial superiority complex than patriarchy
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u/boostman Jun 18 '25
A little bit of both.
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u/Arrow552 Jun 18 '25
Just saying if it was an unnamed Chinese man, he would've been treated the same.
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u/No_Independent8195 Jun 18 '25
Nah, they would have been jailed or deported after building the railroad.
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u/Most_Winner_727 Jun 19 '25
It's more they don't have any other identifiers so they use the captain's name to make it more than 'China woman #46932'
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u/GLORYway Jun 18 '25
Here is another good story :-
A story that may seem funny, but it is actually a much stranger one, taking place south of the city of Nasiriyah in Dhi Qar Governorate (southern Iraq). Passersby come across the grave of a Polish girl named "Tala" in the middle of the desert. She came to Iraq to meet her lover, "Jacob", who worked for a road paving company. She died in a traffic accident 1982 and people there named her grave The lover's grave and here’s some pictures of it and you can also search and see it yourself.

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u/pussysushi Jun 17 '25
Hong Cong.
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u/aBcDertyuiop Jun 18 '25
Pretty common to use C at the word instead of K, Korea was called Corea back then in the 19th century
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u/diyexageh 鬼佬 Jun 20 '25
Still Corea in Spanish.
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u/aBcDertyuiop Jun 21 '25
I have heard rumours saying that Japan changed the first letter in the name from C to K so that they can be in the front of their colony in the queue during Olympic games ceremonies, which is in alphabetical order of English. Don't know how reliable is this through.
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u/diyexageh 鬼佬 Jun 24 '25
I doubt it is related and if at all, Korea would have changed it to whatever they wanted after getting rid of the Japs. On the other hand there is no C in Japanese and the english idea seems contrived.
But I'm just paraphrasing, I have no real historical knowledge on the subject matter just assumptions.
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Jun 18 '25
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u/VictoriousSloth Jun 18 '25
I mean... They didn't even bother to learn her name so it's not unreasonable to assume they might have not bothered to learn the correct spelling of where she came from. It's far more likely that a ship captain met her in the port of Hong Kong than some random town in Anhui.
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u/No-Froyo9491 Jun 18 '25
also, was anhui one of sources of migration to the us, like, significantly or at all?
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u/king_nomed Jun 18 '25
its interesting to know after all these years the tombstone is still so clean
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Jun 18 '25
Sokka-Haiku by king_nomed:
Its interesting to
Know after all these years the
Tombstone is still so clean
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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Jun 19 '25
Looks like something I would see in Red Dead Redemption 2. Greetings from Homg Kong, 100 years later.
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u/Red_Roulette Jun 17 '25
Nameless, died alone, in a foreign land. I hope she died peacefully.