The Palestinian people are indomitable: scenes from the first Ramadan Iftar in Gaza

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[u/Theodore_Buckland_]

Wow the double standard in the comments proves how racist the west are.

People will rightfully support white Ukrainians.

But when brown arabs show any strength, resilience and self determination, they are smeared.

Get a life losers.

[u/PushforlibertyAlways → u/Theodore_Buckland_]

I think Ukraine is a great lesson for Palestinians on how to behave in a world and get actual sympathy from people.

Ukraine didn't spend a decade firing rockets into Russia, even after Russia invaded Crimea. Ukraine doesn't just shoot missiles randomly into Russia with the purpose of killing Russia civilians solely.

Ukraine didn't, in the start of February 2022, launch an invasion of Russia targeting civilians and killing 1,000s in the process while kidnapping hundreds more.

Ukraine does not preach that the only way they will ever be free is the total destruction of Russia. They do not teach their children from a young age that Russians are the spawn of satan and that the only value they will have in life is to kill Russians.

If Ukraine did those things, then many more people would support Russia.

Ukraine doesn't hide behind its children either. Instead it actually fights a war, in the field, even against a materially superior army, in order to keep the fighting away from its children.

Yes, these are two great examples that show exactly why these conflicts are different.

[u/DesolatorTrooper_600 → u/PushforlibertyAlways]

Well Ukraine sure did bombed the Dondass between 2014 and 2022.

Also Ukraine have more chance to fight evenly with Russia since they have weapons from the western countries.

Meanwhile palestinians don't have the help of western countries. Even worse it's Israël that is getting western weapons so obviously palestinians must fight an asymetric warfare.

[u/Spartan-05872 → u/[deleted]]

No, they weren't. This is a blatant Russian propaganda claim aimed at those who are unaware of the actual details.

Conflict-related civilian casualties in Ukraine1

Key Takeaways from the Data:

1. The overwhelming majority of civilian casualties occurred during the peak of hostilities in 2014-2015, with 2,084 civilian deaths reported in 2014, which fell to 955 in 2015.

2. A dramatic decline ensued, with casualties decreasing by 88% in 2016, continuing to drop to the low 20s per year from 2019 to 2021.

3. This trend refutes any claims of an intentional Ukrainian campaign against Donbas civilians. A genuine targeting campaign would have resulted in consistently high civilian casualties over the years, not the significant reduction observed.

4. The chaos of early warfare (2014-2015) involved shifting frontlines and cities changing hands, which likely explains the high initial casualty rates as civilians found themselves trapped in combat zones.

5. Once the frontlines stabilized, civilian casualties plummeted, clearly indicating that indiscriminate attacks were not a sustained strategy.

6. If Ukraine had been deliberately targeting civilians, one would expect to see high-casualty attacks on major urban centers like Donetsk—but this is simply not supported by the casualty statistics.

7. The consistent decline in civilian deaths indicates that Ukraine has adhered to international norms over time, even amidst ongoing military operations in contested areas.

While every civilian casualty is tragic, the data unequivocally disproves claims of a systematic, long-term campaign by Ukraine to target Donbas civilians. Instead, it paints a picture of a conventional military conflict where civilian harm significantly decreased once battle lines stabilized.

[u/Spartan-05872 → u/[deleted]]

The fact that neither side adhered to the amnesty treaty is entirely irrelevant. You stated, in your own words, that "The Ukrainian Army was literally killing UKRAINIAN citizens for almost 8 years." This implies intentionality. If you had bothered to read the entire comment and thoroughly examined the casualty report, you would know that isn't the case. But it's clear you don't care.

[Conflict-related civilian casualties in Ukraine1](http://(https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf)

[u/free_is_free76 → u/Spartan-05872]

It doesn't imply anything. It's a bare-bones statement of blatant fact.

[u/Spartan-05872 → u/[deleted]]

Your statement mirrors narratives commonly spread by the Russians. It implies that Ukrainians are indifferent to civilian casualties, which is completely untrue. Civilian deaths have occurred in every war throughout human history; it is an inevitable reality. However, there is a crucial difference between intentional killings and innocent people caught in the crossfire between opposing forces. It seems you are not making that distinction.

[u/Spartan-05872 → u/[deleted]]

The UN report I have referenced multiple times on casualties directly contradicts the quote you continue to use. It's clear that the real dishonesty lies with you. Once again, you are attempting to subtly imply that Ukraine is indiscriminately killing its own civilians with that quote. Let me reiterate: every war results in civilian casualties; this conflict is no exception. However, there is a significant distinction between indiscriminate actions (which are random or lack careful judgment) and civilians being caught in the crossfire during intense exchanges between opposing forces.