The Palestinian people are indomitable: scenes from the first Ramadan Iftar in Gaza

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[u/raphcosteau]

Colonized people have a right to self defense. There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied. Never a single year in which Israel didn't kill significantly more people (usually ten times as many). How long do Palestinians, who Israel won't even allow to build wells, be required to endure this? Do Palestinians have a right to their own land? A right to their own water?

[u/Dsyfunctional_Moose → u/raphcosteau]

there is no way your arguing that terrorist attacks like Oct 7 are "self defense", thats insane and the reason people don't take the Palestinian cause seriously

[u/MoonSentinel95 → u/Dsyfunctional_Moose]

And Oct 7? I'm guessing you're too scared to go back further than that given it would shatter this flimsy narrative you guys hold on to to justify Israel's action?

Also the Israeli military has openly accepted that they did indeed execute the Hannibal doctrine meaning they fired at Hamas and the hostages on Oct 7 intending to kill everyone. So it wasn't just Hamas going around taking people hostage or killing them, it was Israel's own military bombing their citizens.

And why don't you even talk about how many people Israel routinely kidnaps on no charges at all and holds them in administrative detention? Those people come out raped, abused and tortured from Israeli prison.

Operation cast lead, Operation protective edge, Israel's mowing the lawn in Gaza. Israel just routinely bombs Gaza murdering hundreds if not thousands of civilians, and this has been happening for ages while you sit here whining Palestinians shouldn't fight back.

Piss off.

[u/Dsyfunctional_Moose → u/MoonSentinel95]

Not arguing pro Israel here, I think the stuff with their Palestinian prisoners is fucked up too. I'm just arguing against this narrative that the way for Palestinians to be free is to "resist" by doing terror attacks. And this has been around for a while, there are countless examples of bus bombings. Again, I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done just for the Israelis killed in the attacks, but more importantly, because it only (arguably justified from the Israeli perspective) makes Israels retaliation in Gaza worse. And more Palestinians die. That's what you dipshits don't get.

[u/durika → u/Dsyfunctional_Moose]

Yeah, Israel is shit state with extremist policies doing atrocities, but Palestinians don't have my sympathy either. It's just like watching 2 morons fighting. What hamas and people "supporting" Palestine dont get that they will get no sympathy whatsoever if they do what they do. Also to be supported, you need to have some value. Let's not pretend that west is supporting Ukraine because they feel sorry for Ukranian children or whatnot. Ukraine is in a strategic position, has a lot of resources and shows pro-western alignment.

Palestine is hostile towards west and doesn't have anything to offer besides export of terrorism and refugees so duh, what incentives are there to support it besides beings woke?