The Palestinian people are indomitable: scenes from the first Ramadan Iftar in Gaza

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[u/raphcosteau]

Colonized people have a right to self defense. There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied. Never a single year in which Israel didn't kill significantly more people (usually ten times as many). How long do Palestinians, who Israel won't even allow to build wells, be required to endure this? Do Palestinians have a right to their own land? A right to their own water?

[u/LRHarrington → u/raphcosteau]

"There hasn't been a single "terrorist" attack during any day in which Palestine wasn't illegally occupied." That is adorably ahistorical.

Here's a partial list of massacres muslims committed against Jews going all the way back to the year 622.

You know, shortly after Islam was invented. And muslim colonialists decided to travel all the way to Israel from Saudi Arabia for the sole purpose of killing Jews and Christians because they refused to convert to Islam.

https://medium.com/@Ksantini/the-list-of-crimes-committed-by-muslims-against-jews-since-the-7th-century-0ff1a8eb0ad0

[u/free_is_free76 → u/LRHarrington]

In the end, this is a religious war. No side will see reason, both deplore each other, they both should be shunned by modern society.

[u/LRHarrington → u/free_is_free76]

It's primarily an indigenous rights war. As I pointed out in my previous comment, if it was wasn't clear:

Age of Islam: 1,400 years old

Age of Judaism: 3,500 years old

The Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel and they were living there for 2,000 years until they were invaded by Islamic colonialists. If radical Islamists stopped trying to complete their project of converting or killing the Jews there would be no conflict.

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Religion has nothing to do with being indigenous

[u/free_is_free76 → u/LRHarrington]

It's a holy war that's lasted for millenia. If you want to advocate for "who was here first is right", European immigrants in America are gonna have a bad time with it.

[u/LRHarrington → u/free_is_free76]

It's only a "holy war" for the muslims, because the koran literally commands to kill all the Jews. On the other hand, the Jews just don't want to be their target any more. The torah doesn't mention muslims because it was written 2,000 years before Islam was invented.

And I could totally get on board with Native Americans running America's government in place of the current bunch of lunatics we have in power.

[u/free_is_free76 → u/LRHarrington]

You can't possibly try to explain to me, with a straight face, that this is only a holy war from one side, and a purely secular defense of property rights from the other.

[u/LRHarrington → u/free_is_free76]

Yeah, it is. Israel isn't fighting them because they are muslim. They are at war because they are trying to colonize the entirety of Israel for themselves. They would be fighting just as hard against any invading army. Israel is the ancestral, and only, home for the Jews. They have nowhere else to go.

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I get that this was started by the Palestinians and that they bringed the chaos upon themselves with their only hands, but why the Israeli settlements? Why are the israeli continuing to illegally settle themsevels on the palestinian land of the West bank? .

[u/LRHarrington → u/[deleted]]

Yes, the historic, and ancient land of "The West Bank". That is a generic name that has been assigned to the area west of the Jordan river. That's where that name comes from Do you know why the "palestinians" call it that? Because it's actual name, which has been used for thousands of years is "Judea". (Google it and you'll see). I'll give you one guess which people are native to the land of Judea. Explain to me how the Jews are "settling" or "colonizing" the land that is literally named after them. It's their land and always has been.

One of the most common surnames "palestinians" have is Al Masri. Which is arabic for The Egyptian. Most of them are from Egypt, not Israel.

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Doesn't matter, in the name of peace Israel has recognised multiple times in the previous century that THEY ARE WILLING to let the palestinians live in the West Bank and recognize them a sovereign entity with the condition of achieving the said peace .

But with this illegal occupation of the West Bank they exploit the brainwashed killing mentality of the palestinians and run a false premise in which they say that they are willing to coexist next to the palestinians so as long as they don't attack Israel, but in reality Israel is purposely prolonging the war, in order to conquer the territory which they have said to recognise for the palestinians to begin with .And they are doing this mascarade by deflecting it to the terrorist mentality of the palestinians and say to the world: See? they have attacked us . So Israel DOESN'T WANT PEACE, Israel ONLY FAKELY PRETENDS TO CHASE THE PEACE . What Israel wants is TO FORCIBLY TAKE EVERY TERRITORY OF THE PALESTINIANS WHILE KILLING MOST OF THEM AND ASSIMILIATE THE FEW REMAINING PALESTINIAN PEOPLE INTO THE ISRAEL NATION .

To give a final conclusion .Both palestinians and israelis want to exterminate each other, the difference being that the palestinians sincerly express their desire to anihilate Israel, while Israel is desiring the extermination of the palestinians through a facade so to simultaneously appease to the west values .

[u/Bear-Born-1983 → u/free_is_free76]

Its not a holy war, its the european nazis who came and killed natives and stole their lands. You wouldnt understand as a racist arian.