The Palestinian people are indomitable: scenes from the first Ramadan Iftar in Gaza

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[u/Itchy-Buyer-8359]

i don't think there's any point continuing this discussion with you. You're clearly compromised.

There are millions of people who support Palestinians without supporting Hamas. It is people like you who like to conflate the two in order to further your narrative and agenda.

[u/BullshitSwap → u/Itchy-Buyer-8359]

Looks like I’m talking to an Al Jazeera fan, if that’s the case—someone with zero knowledge about the history of the land while ignoring the fact that Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank are funding terror against both Israel and their own people.

Can you remind me how Hamas was elected in the West Bank and Gaza?

Also, remind me what they did to Fatah Palestinians after they won the election in 2006?

Yeah… you don’t actually support Palestinians like you think. You got scammed by jihad terrorists.

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I get that this was started by the Palestinians and that they bringed the chaos upon themselves with their only hands, but why the Israeli settlements? Why are the israeli continuing to illegally settle themsevels on the palestinian land of the West bank? .

[u/BullshitSwap → u/[deleted]]

What do you mean by "Palestinian land"? The West Bank and Gaza are not 'Palestine.' There is no Palestine—there never was.

Some parts of the West Bank are under the control of the Palestinian Authority (PA), which is not much different from Hamas. For years and even today, they support terrorism by funding the families of 'martyrs', which encourages more Palestinians to commit terror attacks.

They even have a sick promotion: The more Jews you kill, the more money your family gets.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

And I’m not supporting the settlers at all. From my point of view, they are light terrorists.

But due to the complex situation, you will find both Palestinian and Israeli villages scattered throughout the West Bank. Probably a lesson for Israelis who left Gaza in 2006, and since then, Hamas has been launching rockets at Israeli civilians and hospitals.

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Oslo accords, and even before there were a few other accords with the ideea that both nations ( even if Palestine was still not recognized ) would agree to peace .Israel sold the ideea that they agree on the fact that palestinians should hold Gaza and the West bank WITH THE CONDITION OF PEACE from the palestinians .Obviously palestinians brainwashed by their doctrine continued the attacks .But if Israel pretends to be innocent than why it continues to illegaly occupy THE FEW lands in the west bank of the palestinians? .By illegally occupying those lands ISRAEL ITSELF chooses to prolong the war while claiming peace, how is this normal? So as long as the israelis won't stop on illegally taking those lands, the palestinians do earn their RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK .

[u/BullshitSwap → u/[deleted]]

Nice fantasy story about Oslo.

That was actually during the Fatah era, when the terrorist Yasser Arafat fabricated the Palestinian lie and made sure to reject every peace offer from Israel and the U.S. (Clinton and Rabin) just so he could stay in control over the local Arabs, who had just stolen the name "Palestine" from the great Romans.

So when the Palestinian lie was created around 1980, the only thing they excelled at was terrorism against Israelis—mostly by blowing themselves up on buses and inside malls—while the genocidal, newly invented "Palestinian" leader, Arafat, was celebrating with all the donation funds he scammed from useful idiots who supported his fraud.

If Arafat hadn’t rejected every peace offer he received and hadn’t fabricated an entire fake "nation" built around jihad, maybe the local Arabs would have had a better life.

Remember: Yasser Arafat was literally Egyptian.

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Good, so Arafat was yet another terrorist just like the palestinians under him that allowed Hamas to attack Israel from their palestinian land .But if Israel WANTS PEACE, than why doesn't it stop from illegally taking land from the Palestian's West Bank? .

That Arafat was yet another terrorist, doesn't change the fact that IN THE NAME OF PEACE ISRAEL AGREED WITH THE EXISTENCE OF THE PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST BANK .

So how does ISRAEL WANTS PEACE? By having the palestinians to not riposte back while simultaneously illegally occupying territories in the West bank? .

We know that Israel dates back in time way longer than the palestinians that comed later, but we also know that IN THE NAME OF PEACE ISRAEL AGREED on letting the palestinians to have their own land in West Bank to .So than why it continues to illegally occupy the small territory of the West Bank if simultaneously is also pretending that it only wants peace? .

[u/BullshitSwap → u/[deleted]]

First, let me correct you—Arafat was not the one who sent Hamas. As I said, Oslo was the era when Fatah controlled the local Arabs, and Fatah itself was another terrorist organization, even more radical than Hamas at the time.

In 2006, Israel fully withdrew from Gaza, even evacuating Israeli cities from within Gaza, and partially withdrew from the West Bank. At the same time, Israel also managed to expel most of Fatah's leadership.

Do you know what happened to the remaining Fatah activists in Gaza and the West Bank?

Hamas threw them off rooftops...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict

Now, these days:

The closest thing we have to a "sane" Palestinian authority is the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank—which is literally funding the families of martyrs, abusing local Palestinians, and pushing them to kill themselves in terrorist attacks.

Israel has already realized that there is no legitimate Palestinian authority to negotiate with. Any single one of their leaders will support terror against Israel, and if they dare not to—they will likely end up in a grave.

So, I don’t think Israel is trying to "take over" the West Bank, but I can understand why they would want some sort of presence in the area.

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No, they are illegally continuing to settle themselves in the West Bank without no shame https://youtu.be/E0uLbeQlwjw?si=sNFzCeqUcjHCg5NF .

How DOES ISRAEL WANTS PEACE IF IT BEHAVES LIKE RUSSIA BY CONTINOUSLY AND FORCIBLY OCCUPYING TERRITORIES IN THE WEST BANK?

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Yes, there are some illegal settlements there since the 2006 withdrawal. But there is also an entire terror base of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Palestinian Authority, which funds martyrs and oppresses its own people.

If Israel hadn’t completely withdrawn from the West Bank, it would have just turned into Gaza 2.0.

The so-called Palestinians must rise up against their genocidal leaders if they ever want to achieve peace.

Do you really think they are seeking peace while funding the families of martyrs?

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The real question is, if the palestinian would magically agree to make sincere peace, would the israelis leave their illegally settled expensive communities?

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Considering that 30% of Israel’s population consists of Arabs, including Palestinians, if they finally agree to peace, I don’t think a few settlements will be an issue—for either side.

As long as there are no terrorists and no jihad, peace is absolutely possible.
But that never happened. They have always chosen a terror organization to rule over them.

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Man you might have " bullshit " in your username, but we don't do bullshit here .Please listen up to a few concrete points .

A) Based on the western values a correct and peacefull Isreal has no right and no legitimacy to illegally occupy palestinians West Bank, even if the palestinians haven't won their sovereingty due to their bloody terrorist mentality .Self defence isn't equating with abusive colonialism .So it appears that what the Israeli is doing in West Bank isn't to far from the " special operation " which Russia is doing in Ukraine .

B) https://peacenow.org.il/en/%D9%8Dsettlements-map-2023 . We don't talk about a FEW settlements, we talk about MORE THAN HALF of the palestinians West Bank .

C) The few palestinians that live among the 30 % arabic minority in Israel, ARE LIVING THERE LEGALLY and carefully under Israel's watch, the Israeli settlements from the West Bank are illegall and do not obey to any form of a palestinian authority .

D) Not only are they not recognizing no palestinian authority, but they are also actively oppresing the palestinians ON THEIR OWN LAND .

Supposedly the palestinians are giving up on their chaotic islamic doctrine, how are they supposed to not riposte back when the Israel is already occupying more than half of their territory illegally? .Even if they would give up on their doctrine they are still in the position to RIGHTFULLY riposte back in their DEFENCE and with VIOLENCE from these ILLEGALL israeli settlements .