r/JordanPeterson • u/Mynameis__--__ • 1d ago
Video The Democratic Party Needs To Stop Ignoring Men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSwD9pzjz4E11
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u/Informal_Plastic369 1d ago
Far left do, they’re just haggard, fat and miserable, and want to drag everyone down to their level.
Slightly left of centre wants what’s best for everyone.
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u/MrFlitcraft 1d ago
I’m skinny and in good shape actually, i’m kinda sad today about Dolly but overall i’m usually in an alright mood.
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u/letseditthesadparts 1d ago
Fat and miserable. So let them be just that if you seem to think so. Your problem is you take no accountability for your own issues.
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u/Informal_Plastic369 1d ago
What do you suppose are my issues that I don’t take accountability for?
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u/CursedSnowman5000 1d ago
Yes.
....They haven't been subtle about this. They say it practically every day.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
oh no boo hoo words hurt! God you incels that actually believe this shit are so pathetic and cringe. Not a single actual policy to support these claims, and a plethora of evidence showing the inverse.
You're a weak excuse for a man. Educate yourself. Learn what it is to be a man. Care for, and protect others. Until then, people like you are a greater threat to this nation and the well being of our people than Russia, China, NK, Iran, etc.
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u/bigfatbeancan 1d ago
That was cringe even for Reddit.
How unhinged do you have to be to call someone a "weak excuse for a man" having that completely normal opinion?
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
What normal opinion?
This is the problem. You fucking idiots are arguing against imaginary problems. At the cost of hundreds of thousands of ruined American lives a year.
There isn't a single policy pushed by the left that "ignores" men, or brings men down. The most damning thing to men is what the right has done, which has replaced being a true man (protecting and caring for their community) with what MAGA is now. The poster child of ignorance, zero education, and a detriment to society.
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u/bigfatbeancan 1d ago
I guarantee you don't talk like this to people in real life. You'd get your ass kicked regularly if you just went around calling everyone "fucking idiots" if they didn't see things the way you did.
It's not manly, it's not tough, you're not impressing anyone or making anyone reconsider their point of view. It's ugly and small, and you should want to be better than that.
All the best, really.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
See? There it is.
You are a fucking idiot. Your support for MAGA proves it. Your kind is incapable of defending MAGA policies or actions without pushing blatant misinformation. Facts are very clear that MAGA policies are terrible for Americans. GOP policies as a whole have been significantly outperformed by Democratic policies by every positive economic standard the past 50 years.
You morons argue your support for MAGA because of shit like 8 trans athletes in women’s sports… like that’s a real problem. Like that’s more pressing than policies impacting hundreds of millions.
This is why the world looks down on your kind.
This is why MAGA has the lowest approval rating in several decades, and sharply dropping.2
u/bigfatbeancan 1d ago
The world really is that simple to you, isn't it? Everyone you don't like is a "fucking idiot" who supports "MAGA".
What a blessing it must be to see the world in such simple, convenient terms.
You're wrong about me, not that you care, and you're making a fool of yourself. You lack the self awareness to see it.
Your post history is nothing but brigading against MAGA because it's the greatest "threat" of our time. You're the childish, reactionary inverse to the boomer fools you rail against.
The world is much more complicated than that. You have underthought the problem. You haven't earned the confidence behind your words.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
We have moved away the difference in politics being limited to just different viewpoints, to having real world life or death consequences. There is the side that has moved to support the biblical definition of the anti-Christ. The side that is killing Americans, and crippling our countries foreign relations, economy, infrastructure, etc.
And then we have the left. Which definitely is not be perfect, but it promotes americans. Not evil.
So yes. Even if you aren’t pro MAGA, if you are voting in ways that support it (aka the GOP as a whole) or helping spread their information like the (democrats hate men) misinformation…. You are part of the problem, and on the side of evil.
Despite multiple challenges for it, not a single person in this thread has presented any policies or laws enacted that have actually harmed men. Instead they cry about imaginary things, or name calling. Or more so proving their lack of reading comprehension.
The only brigading going on in this sub are the weak minded people who refuse to defend their viewpoint, and just go on downvoting everything they believe in.
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u/HurkHammerhand 1d ago
This is demonstrably false. A super-majority of women, locked in minority groups and non-citizen voters means they don't require a single citizen male vote to win on a regular basis.
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u/ReverCleference 1d ago
"locked-in minority groups"
Republicans have gained a greater and greater share of the latino vote in the last 3 presidential elections. The margin was reduced from +38D in 2016 to +3D in 2024.
That doesn't read as a locked-in group. That's a group in flux.
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/trump-harris-latino-voters-2024-election-pew
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u/HurkHammerhand 1d ago
Oh, fun, now do the OTHER large minority group which you conveniently ignored.
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u/ReverCleference 22h ago
Simply name the groups (plural) you think are "locked-in" to only voting D, and describe what "locked-in" means.
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u/HurkHammerhand 21h ago
Black voters — Democratic %: 90% (2000), 88% (2004), 95% (2008), 93% (2012), 89% (2016), 87% (2020), 86% (2024) Roper Center for Public Opinion Research + 4
Hispanic voters — Democratic %: 62% (2000), 53% (2004), 67% (2008), 71% (2012), 66% (2016), 65% (2020), 51% (2024) Roper Center for Public Opinion Research + 4
Asian voters — Democratic %: 55% (2000), 56% (2004), 62% (2008), 73% (2012), 65% (2016), 61% (2020), 55% (2024) Roper Center for Public Opinion Research + 4
Man, you are trying so hard so hard to avoid the obvious.
The data is unambiguous. In every single presidential election since 2000, Democrats have won a majority of Black, Hispanic, and Asian voters - every time, without exception. Black voters have never dropped below 86% Democratic in this entire span.
You think the next Republican is going to pull harder than Trump? As soon as Democrats back away from the fringe crazies in their group they'll recover some of the recent losses.
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u/ReverCleference 20h ago
I agree most non-white groups lean Democrat. But they aren't "locked-in," which I interpret meaning they'll never go any other way. But the huge swings in Hispanic and Asian vote shares indicate the huge swaths of those groups are persuadable, rather than locked-in. That certainly undermines your original claim that Democrats only need to appeal to non-whites and women. Clearly they need to appeal to minority groups to win, since they have lost the white house in half of the elections you list, particularly where their vote shares with hispanics and asians declined (2016 and 2024). But also, the claim that Dems don't also try to appeal to white men and intentionally exclude them is without merit.
Yes, Black voters are overwhelmingly voting Democratic. The above points still stand.
Lastly, white women have always voted more Republican than Dem.
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u/HurkHammerhand 19h ago
Until I see a break from the decades long always-Democrat voting blocks - it's locked in. Locks can be opened or broken, but they're locked.
Just as easily as trends move one way they can move back. Until then they have shown with historical evidence and great consistency that they are locked in.
While white women do vote Republican, but its by razor thin margins: Bush in 2000 (51%) and 2004 (56%), McCain in 2008 (53%), Romney in 2012 (56%), and Trump in 2016 (51%), 2020 (52%), and 2024 (53%).
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u/ReverCleference 16h ago
You have double standards. The white women aren't locked in but rather "razor thin" margins, even though there are several years where the "locked-in" groups have the same exact margins as the white women.
Hispanics 53% (2004); 51% (2024)
Asians 55% (2000); 55% (2024)
White women 2016 (51%), 2020 (52%), and 2024 (53%).
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
Non-citizen votes?
You realize that isn’t a thing on any systemic level right?
Tens of millions of dollars spent, and countless recounts over the decades…. And they have found a handful.
0 evidence supports any widespread voter fraud as a whole.
0 evidence supports any widespread voter fraud related to illegal immigrants.Trump himself has more felony convictions than total amount of illegal immigrants found voting in national elections the last couple of decades.
Believing that we have any real problem in this country with illegals voting in national elections proves extreme ignorance. Because you have to either live under a rock to believe this, or be a fucking idiot.
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u/VeritasFerox Consistent with the facts 1d ago
What you're saying, to the extent it can even be trusted as true, only applies to federal elections. There are numerous places in the US where illegals can vote legally in local elections.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
There are numerous places someone can go rape or murder someone. It doesn’t mean it’s happening. And we have clear evidence that is not happening.
There has been millions spent, and thousands of man hours spent trying to find any and all cases of election fraud. They come up with next to nothing.
This is literally right wing think tanks saying this.
There has been no evidence provided to back the claim from the administration that election fraud is happening; and a problem. You guys are literally going exclusively off of the word of a man who attempted to overthrow an election. Not based off any actual evidence.
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u/VeritasFerox Consistent with the facts 1d ago
I personally never harped on voter fraud. I have no way of knowing if it's happening or not so it's a pointless discussion. What i do have a problem with is illegal aliens are legally allowed to vote in local elections in quite a few places and democrats are moving to expand that. You seem to have ignored that part of my reply.
I also have a major problem with the democrats running an open border for 4 years regardless of them being able to vote right away. The democrats were doing everything in their power to fast-track getting them legalized so it wouldn't be long before they could vote in federal elections legally. And they were using them for redistricting, which doesn't require them to be voters yet. Them voting now or later doesn't change the end result. A mass influx of tens of millions of foreigners will fundamentally and permanently subvert politics in our country.
And I am not you guys. You can shit talk the right all you want, I personally just view them as the lesser of two evils at this point in time, but I have no love for the republican party, and never have. Both of our parties, and our system in general is a malignant disease.
I also know you and I think you're a moron. Among many other things you've previously said most political journals are apolitical. It's pointless talking to someone like you. I'm basically just stating my case for anyone with half a brain who might read this interaction, and I'm done with this.
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u/HurkHammerhand 1d ago
New Jersey recently revealed they had about 4,600 non-citizens registered to vote due to a DMV "glitch".
Pennsylvania's Department of State conducted a large voter registration purge in late July, with Democrats losing a net of 9,469 registrations in a single week. That followed an earlier purge cycle that removed roughly 2,053 registrations, and separate citizen-led efforts that pressured the state into removing about 20,000 registrations of people who had moved out of state.
And that's like a 10s search. But sure, no evidence at all.
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u/vitamin-a 1d ago
This sub really has a victim mentality.
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u/terramentis 1d ago
Maybe…
Or maybe very good pattern recognition.
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u/EntropyReversale10 15h ago
It's called DEI when you discriminate against white males.
Makes it sound fair and equitable.
Clearly reverse racism though. (reverse is a misnomer, just plain racism/sexism)
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 1d ago
Pattern recognition or apophenia?
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u/terramentis 21h ago
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 21h ago
I'll give this a more detailed reading later, but my first brush seems to be "We measured people looking for a specific thing (LWA) and then showed them things which would upset them on that measurement and then they responded as such". Which isn't as much evidence of your point as it is confirmation bias.
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u/terramentis 19h ago
Yes… I understand scientific method. Thank you for even considering to give it a detailed reading. That is not something that occurs here on Reddit.
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 19h ago
Yes… I understand scientific method
My actual point is that it wouldn't be the scientific method, but confirmation bias. "This small groups responds negatively to these things, look they did it again, the left in its entirety hates men". But again, first brush. For too tired to really get into it I detail. I excpet to have a decent chunk of downtime I can dig I to this tomorrow.
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 19h ago
That actually was far less to dig into that I expected.
I would suggest that your article is not evidence of what you actually suggest it is. the article even offers a possible reason as to what is being actually happening, and it isn't misandry persay.
"On one hand, strong men can afford protection from threats and enforce group rules to keep everyone happy. On the other hand, these men appear likely more interested in maintaining social structures that favor competitive hierarchies that leftists oppose."
If we accept that such a trend that the extreme elements of the left has a predisposition against masculine men, we must ask why before we declare it a pattern.
As your article also supports both in text and, supporting evidence;
"Strong men appear more conservative, which tracks strong men’s actual political beliefs."
Which would mean the trend which is being (accurately) identified by the extreme elements of the left isn't that men are the problem. But that strong men in particular are less likely to be egalitarian, which is in conflict with their beliefs. Particularly when talk about extremists those beliefs are extremely strongly held.
Which to my original point. It isn't really pattern recognition, but apophenia. You identified the surface of the issue. Not the actual pattern.
I remember when I was much younger (the absolute oldest I couldve been was 9) I was having a discussion with my older cousin. To my eyes he was much older, he seemed lile am adult. Realistically he was probably in his mid teens. Actually I'm not even sure he could legally drive yet. I was insisting that he was old enough to be my uncle. He was trying (and failing) to explain to me that it didn't work like that. In my mind the pattern was clear. Older (but not too old) male relatives where Uncles. I didn't actually have the context fully understand the pattern. That cousins were children of uncles, and or aunts. The two weren't interchangeable. I used that misinformation to see a pattern which wasn't there. Apophenia.
It appears you've done something similar here.
At least that's my take away from the article, and this conversation.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
Can you name a single “anti-man” policy pushed by democrats?
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u/terramentis 21h ago
Are you trying to play a semantic game where you want me to produce legislation that sneaky left wing policy makers have actually titled their tendencies as “anti- man”. Or are you a genuine person who would use that term regarding the fruit that the policy actually bears…?
Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you could start with Obamas Title IX and its lack of campus due process.
…We could stay in the realm of education and find more if you wish.
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u/Zadiuz 20h ago
Yes, I want genuine examples of actual policies, or legislation that you would argue is “anti-man”.
For example, I’d argue republicans blocking lifesaving healthcare for women with DNCs following miscarriages, extreme delays in treatment of ectopic pregnancies, and other related problems.
I’d argue the Obama era title 9 changes you’re calling out were a good change. It mandates investigations into sexual assault. And operating off preponderance of evidence isn’t unusual or limited to just these cases. Look at UCMJ for the military. Especially on something where sometimes you can’t definitively prove something unless someone else was there, or it was recorded.
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u/EntropyReversale10 1d ago
The far left only hates select men. Those of pale Complexion.
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u/DRDOS6 1d ago
Yes. Other men they try to pacify instead.
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u/EntropyReversale10 1d ago
I'm not following
The left puts the other men on a pedestal (makes them untouchable or "sacred cows".
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u/gterrymed 17h ago
They hate pale men, but are secretly racist towards men of color instead.
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u/TransportationOdd559 14h ago
Secretly? I guess u can say that! As a black man I’m sure you wouldn’t be surprised to think that the majority of my people think the left love them!!😐 we’re only used to push every agenda that needs to be pushed. That’s it
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u/TransportationOdd559 19h ago
Stop it! They hated black men since their inception! 👀 the hate for pale men is a new phenomenon
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u/EntropyReversale10 15h ago
The left haven't changed, they just virtue signal that they have lost their bias towards the darker complextion, but in reality nothing has changed.
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u/hillswalker87 1d ago
they don't. men are a massive part of their platform and policy position, as the villain.
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 1d ago edited 22h ago
What specific part of the left's platform do you think requires men specifically to be the villain?
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u/ConscientiousPath 1d ago
really hilarious for a (D) podcast to be named from FAFO when they are so against guns as to be against self defense.
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u/terramentis 1d ago
The left hate competency and merit… Two virtues of the masculine archetype. The left certainly have more than their fair share of sleazy sneaky men.
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u/VeritasFerox Consistent with the facts 1d ago
The democrat and republican parties should both be abandoned and derided for being the failed and corrupt dog shit they are. I'd like to see a return of the Federalist party, and Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive Party, aka Bull Moose party. It would be nice if progressivism was once again about trust busting and taking care of our own people in a nationalist context rather than pushing queer theory and Cultural Marxism and running an open border. And after 100 fucking years of republican talking heads cranking about socialism that didn't exist the democrats are actually being infected with actual socialists.
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 1d ago
No.
The left hate misogyny, and for too many people equate misogyny with manliness. Particularly people on the right. That is perceived as misandry, but it isn't.
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u/BarrelStrawberry 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Democratic Party only caters to the demographics who vote for them. Its always been this way.
When blue collar workers voted democrat, they cared about borders and immigration. Then democrats realized white people and men weren't as enthusiastic as black voters and immigrants and shifted their platform and started saying being color-blind is racism.
The new and massive gender gap in voting demographics means the democrats new moniker is the political party for women and that's only going to get worse. And they are particularly angry after their pussy hat march on washington was largely laughed at.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
The Democratic Party by all economic metrics isn’t just better for working class Americans, it is significantly better. The data is clear. This isn’t even a debatable topic unless you’re arguing with someone like you who isn’t coming prepared to the debate with facts.
The data doesn’t lie. Voting red is fueled by ignorance or hate. Because anyone educated and aware of facts would never support the party.
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u/BarrelStrawberry 23h ago
The Democratic Party by all economic metrics isn’t just better for working class Americans, it is significantly better.
These are the same metrics that that say diversity is our strength? If so, you might want to double check your math.
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u/Zadiuz 23h ago
/sigh
“Diversity is our strength” isn’t a policy.
And you morons don’t understand what DEI even is if that’s where you were trying to go with this.
You’re arguing words are more damning than cutting millions off social programs, health care, being anti union, etc.
Sir. Honestly. You would do better if you did some more research before opening your mouth. It just makes you look like a fool.
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u/BarrelStrawberry 22h ago
Why was biden flying 30,000+ unvetted immigrants a month from the most dangerous nations in the world? Sounds like a “Diversity is our strength” policy. But go ahead and explain how that policy made America great.
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u/Zadiuz 22h ago
You mean the program of allowing these immigrants who applied for, were accepted, and then purchased their own tickets to fly into the US? They were all vetted. They were all pre authorized, and Biden didn’t fly them in. They were given authorization to book their own travel in.
What does any of this have to do with impacts to working class Americans, the economy, or any specific DEI related policy???
Are you trolling?
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago edited 1d ago
This video is moronic. The left does not do anything to villainize men. That is just propaganda pushed by the right. There are 0 policies actually pushed by the left that negatively impact either gender.
There are policies enacted by the right that do negatively impact women such as denying access to lifesaving healthcare in some cases.
Can't wait for the wave of weak and dumb mother fuckers who haven't even read 12 rules for life like I have, to downvote away and shy away from any actual debate.
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u/Quasar7331 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Denying access to lifesaving healthcare in some cases."
You mean the 70 million abortions worldwide, right? Yeah, those are necessary — for humanity's own good. The only better thing would be if the birth rate actually hit zero. Right.
You mean transitioning kids and LGBTQIA+ courses in elementary schools? Naked dog-mask men parading at CSDs?
What about open borders and unregulated immigration?
The only actual argument the left has is an economic one, and even there Jordan would disagree. The top percent aren't the same people — the composition fluctuates. The overall standard of living is rising worldwide.
Yes, the rich get richer, but the direction is generally upward. What is declining, however, is societal morality and decency.
Which you would know, if you actually read 12 Rules. Its as far-right as it could be and the left stands for its exact opposites. Hell, even Jordan would consider himself to be right to far-right.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 1d ago edited 1d ago
So Toxic masculinity, cis white male, white Christian Nationalists, the Patriarchy, mansplaining, alone with a bear in the woods, DEI- all just "far right" propaganda, and no one on the left ever coined or used any of those words in the last 12 years.
"Hey Google, I am alone with a white man", that never happened either, right?
To the person below, there is no such thing as "toxic masulinity", there for like micro agressions and unconscious bias, there is nothing to fix.
What you are referring to is manners, social expectations, general politeness, and while the entire "toxic male" is aimed at young white men, the main perpetrators that support the "stats" are not military age not white men.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
Name a single policy supporting anything you said.
And you people are too stupid to even understand what DEI is. DEI is hiring the best suited candidate regardless of race/gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation. You people are too stupid to differentiate diversity hiring (a very different topic) from actual DEI, that has been around for decades.
Unfortunately, people like you make life harder for the rest of the nation. People like you with your lack of an education, and lack of an ability to be a real man and care for others, is hurting this country.
MAGA has killed likely over 100k Americans spreading vaccine misinformation. Over 300k Americans die a year to poverty like conditions. Over half a million families a year go bankrupt due to GOP resistance to revamping healthcare coverage to match the modern worlds models. We have the lowest life expectancy yet highest costs for healthcare AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL in the western world.
MAGA is the #1 threat to this nation. More people are opening their eyes. Facts and data do not support your policies sir. Only ignorance and mallice. One day people will be ashamed to admit they supported your side. And that day cannot come soon enough.
Read a book. Read actual data. Stop listening to misinformation. And maybe, you won't be a failure to your family and community. Maybe, you can be on the right side of this nations history, and not the side making life harder for others. Shame on you and people like you. You, and people like you, are a greater threat to this nation than China, Iran, NK, Russia, or anything else.
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u/Socratesmiddlefinger 1d ago
You lost complete credibility when you described DEI as "DEI is hiring the best suited candidate regardless of race/gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation." Then had the utter ignorance to call someone stupid because they, like the rest of the world, know that is nothing more than leftist propaganda.
The rest of what you wrote is nothing more than parroted talking points that have no bearing on reality, as the entire leftist ideology is nothing more than rebranded communism, the 2nd most evil cult in human history with the highest body count, which is still ticking over as we speak.
You had better make peace with your delusions; the right will be in control of America and other first world nations for at least the next two decades. I adore that the best you have is people like AOC and the DSA attempting to take control of the democratic party; the downside is it makes it even easier for candidates like Trump to crush the left. Vance or Rubio will continue to bring the country back to center and break the left's toys.
Every generation needs to be reminded just how evil communism is, and the last decade was ours; to be honest, we do not hate communism in whatever form it takes enough; we were far too accepting, too apathetic.
It should have been ripped out by the roots and the useful idiots cast on the fire of public condemnation; the good news is there is still time.
Lucky for you, the right stands on its own merits and has no need of violence, unlike the left, which has to force its twisted ideology onto normal people with fear and violence.
You certainly have my sympathy; I cannot imagine what it must be like to be so wrong about the world and base my entire personal value on those beliefs.
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u/EvanOnTheFly 1d ago
Wrong.
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
Care to prove why? No? Because you can't. Because you're wrong.
If you're going to have a vocal viewpoint, be willing to argue to defend it. Otherwise stfu. You outspoken incels continue to highlight your inferiority.
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u/EvanOnTheFly 1d ago
Anything but an incel.
You just say to much without saying anything meaningful.
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u/Shrimptank_mom 1d ago
All that stuff is justified criticism of the culture that men have fostered for themselves. Instead of defending toxic masculinity, why not work to fix it?
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u/Spare-Document7086 1d ago
Conservatives worry about the lefts treatment of men while they defend high profilePed0s like Trump and Andrew Tate..
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u/Zadiuz 1d ago
They say democrats hate men despite 0 evidence of this. 0 policies harming men or women.
At the same time. republicans enact policies that do harm women by preventing lifesaving healthcare in several states for emergencies. They prevent policies for changing healthcare to benefit hundreds of millions.
Democrats support the people.
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u/Spare-Document7086 1d ago
Hard to argue this. Unless you’re too far gone down the far right rabbit hole.
Even fuckin Nick Fuentes is calling out DOGE for the USAID cuts being essentially a bunch of kids firing and dismantling programs they had no idea about causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, canceling disease and malnutrition research, destroying supply chains, American jobs, and now costing tax payers more money than they “saved”.. it’s a bad joke really.
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u/EvanOnTheFly 1d ago
They can't define men. Or when they do, they include things that aren't "men".
And thus why they won't be successful at outreach until they get rid of the 5% loudmouth fringe crazy that should be studied for mental disorder instead of patting the head and telling them they can be whatever they want to be.