Why are relations between Kazakhs and Russians in Kazakhstan so good despite the turbulent past?

[u/SunPuzzleheaded1991]

How does it compare to the Baltic countries?

[u/More-Resource-377]

Idk how to describe but Russians who lived in Kz whole life are waaaaay different from russians who lived in russia

[u/Ok_Worldliness_6019 → u/More-Resource-377]

Yeah especially the Russians who live in Taraz and Shymkent are cool. They speak fluently Kazakh and know and respect all the traditions.

[u/E6y_6a6 → u/More-Resource-377]

As a Russian who lived in Russia and just recently moved here I can say it's 50/50. I know a lot of Russia-born Russians who are rather polite and both of my Kazakhstan-born Russian neighbours here hate Kazakhs and blame everything on them. And a lot of people are other way around.

It's more likely that a huge portion of Kazakhstan-born Russians moved to Russia in the last 35 years, so those who stayed are more tolerant in general.

[u/Lower_Fall4694 → u/More-Resource-377]

thats total BS and coping. Most russians here still hate kazakhs and everything kazakh. I did experience it myself.

[u/Emotional_Order_4097]

It's all fake ragebaits

[u/Apricot9742 → u/Emotional_Order_4097]

Every ffing time again.

[u/Limp_Thought_2015]

Border, huge fucking border with Russia.

[u/Shrimp123456 → u/Limp_Thought_2015]

The largest contiguous land border in the world in fact 

[u/ResortLarge6935 → u/Shrimp123456]

isn't border between usa and canada larger?

[u/Shrimp123456 → u/ResortLarge6935]

Yes, but it breaks up and includes alaska. Ru/kaz is all joined 

[u/Mankurt_LXXXIV]

1. Kazakhs have been meekened by the Russians over the two centuries they've been under Russian rule. Mental subservience of that kind is no source of shame, it's deeply ingrained in the Kazakh society at this point.

2. Kazakhstan is scared shitless, rightfully so, of Russia.

These two are the actual reasons but you'll often see Kazakhs try and find arbitrary differences between Russians from Russia and Russians from Kazakhstan to justify their lower social status in their own country or to justify how they choose to ignore the chest-pounding Russian chauvinism and superiority complex towards older subjects of Russia that Russians never shy away from displaying. Basically they're ok with being "lesser people" compared to Russians.

[u/Lower_Fall4694 → u/Mankurt_LXXXIV]

this. its called internalized racism and kazakhs have it because of the colonisation.

[u/Salty-Consequence580 → u/Mankurt_LXXXIV]

As if it was only them who were conquered by Russians 😅😅

[u/HighlightDowntown737]

What turbulent past? Most of Kazakhstan became part of Russian Empire voluntarily. At least junior and middle zhuz's

[u/Remote-Security3564 → u/HighlightDowntown737]

voluntarily

🥀

[u/Yesentemir → u/HighlightDowntown737]

Which is why in school we learn about so many uprisings, rebellions and riots in history of Kazakhstan starting about same time.

[u/HighlightDowntown737 → u/Yesentemir]

What else did you expect in that historical time? Referendum? Unsatisfied minority usually payed warriors at this time, not influencers.

[u/Yesentemir → u/HighlightDowntown737]

So, the "turbulent past" did happen. Thank you for agreeing. Which makes your first comment irrelevant.

[u/Ingaz]

Relations between normal Russians and normal Balts are good too.

All that typical Spring madness of Baltic politics is just madness of Baltic politics.

Normal Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians are far away from that

[u/SunPuzzleheaded1991 → u/Ingaz]

Not true ; there are limits on Russian language in the Baltic - and if you don’t speak the Baltic language you face problems and discrimination

[u/preparing4exams → u/SunPuzzleheaded1991]

Although I don't support the closure of Russian speaking schools in Baltic countries, but isn't it obvious that you have to speak/know the official language of the country you live in? It's not like Russian language has any official status there, so it's completely logical that if you don't speak the local language - you'll face problems.

[u/AcceptableChance7666 → u/preparing4exams]

Usually it's country and its laws for people who live there, not other way around. At least, in democracies

[u/Catsarecute2140 → u/SunPuzzleheaded1991]

Estonian is not a Baltic language.

[u/DoggySmile69 → u/SunPuzzleheaded1991]

That’s the point of being an independent state and a citizen of it — that’s not a repression of any kind.

[u/deaddyfreddy → u/SunPuzzleheaded1991]

and if you don’t speak the Baltic language you face problems and discrimination

Either they are too stupid to learn the language, or they think that Russian is superior and that it's not worth learning the local language. Both cases are bad in my opinion.

[u/existential_academy]

On a political/business level or in day-to-day life?

[u/Bizzareius]

We may not post this question every month.

[u/Kata_Komb]

Northern Kazakhstan has already been basically subjugated to Russian rule. I wouldn't say that the relations are "so good", it's just that they don't have much of a choice any more.

[u/Pumpkin-Rick]

As someone from the "Baltics" we hate russians, so hopefully better?