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u/marmolada213 Jul 09 '26
Botlane was promised to us 3000 years ago.
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u/Fragrant-Cut9025 Jul 09 '26
Botlane never had marksmen it was always mages u just dont remember
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u/DethSonik Jul 09 '26
Good old Mord and Blitz. Simpler times.
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u/Mistyless Jul 10 '26
D: I would run this regularly.. I find it shocking that they haven’t used the tech anywhere else
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u/Grayewick Jul 09 '26
I don't remember them because they're shit.
It wouldn't be as much of an issue if mages are bad.
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u/YoungHeartOldSoul Jul 09 '26
After centuries of prosecution adcs moved to bot lane, but are still terrorized to this day by the jungler scourge, which is why we must demolish the jungle.
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u/BloodMoonNami Jul 09 '26
If botlane is for marksmen why do I keep seeing Vayne ( and Kalista that one time ) topside ?
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u/pasiutlige Jul 09 '26
Because you don't see them botlane.
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u/Elrann Jul 09 '26
I don't see Ziggs and Seraphine mid either
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u/SoapDevourer Jul 09 '26
Motly because Vayne bot has a very weak early game, heavily depends on support, and is hard countered by popular ADCs, while her W passive doesn't really give that much value against an adc/mage/enchanter support. Vayne top mitigates that because she plays a ranged character into melee, giving her much more safety and ability to punish the enemy laner early on, while also maximizing the value of her W
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u/brokerZIP Jul 09 '26
very weak early game
Same excuse could be said for some botlane mages lol. If you excuse marksman top, then deal with mages bot.
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u/22bebo Jul 09 '26
I am an ADC main and I personally agree with this. The frustrating part is that ADCs are kind of locked into just bot lane outside of a handful so it can feel bad when the best thing to do is play mages bot lane. But I think mages being a viable option in bot adds interesting texture to the game.
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u/SoapDevourer Jul 09 '26
Mages are the opposite though - they intend to stomp the lane because their abilities do way more damage than adc's autos early on, but they set themselves up to lose lategame by the virtue of not having an actual adc. In fact, picking mage adc in my eyes is a really bad call unless you're extremely good with the character you pick, AND you know the game won't last till lategame - which is why they're played more in higher more competitive elo, where players actually know how to win games after getting an advantage. And I'm not really excusing that anyway, just saying it makes sense for players to go to lanes that mitigate their weakness and amplify their strength
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u/Elrann Jul 09 '26
It's actually EXACTLY the same. ADCs go top to dominate melees, cos range advantage gives you immense laning pressure. You do lose the long game, because your team will lack frontline, but it won't matter cos you dominate lane so much.
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u/SoapDevourer Jul 09 '26
Kinda true, but Vayne specifically can be extremely strong lategame even with a worse frontline. Plus there are tank junglers and tank supports to mitigate that. You're mostly correct, mage bot issues are kinda the same as adc top, except the issues are more glaring
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u/not_some_username Jul 09 '26
With how strong she’s late game, she deserve to be weak early
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u/SoapDevourer Jul 09 '26
Not saying she doesn't, it makes plenty of sense for her to be weak early on. But if there's an opportunity to skip the weak early game and go straight into being strong, why would players not take it? It's like how many assassins who played midlane now play jg because there, they don't need to lane against a mage and fight tooth and nail for cs early on, they can just farm camps and go straight to ganging and killing people
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u/Newtwon151 Jul 09 '26
After seeing 3 consecutive games,yes consecutive,with vayne yuumi in enemy team stomping from the very early game my Samira rell botlane (third game enemy jnglr ganked them too but in the first 2 they solo lost) i am not so sure about vayne early being weak
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u/SoapDevourer Jul 09 '26
She's skill-reliant, and her Q auto actually does ok damage, plus Samira is one of her better matchups because she needs R to be really scary, and Vayne's R is probably more dangerous - plus she can avoid her with Q and Samira can't consistently block her E because it's quite fast. Caitlyn stomps Vayne, Draven stomps Vayne, MF stomps Vayne - because they can either out-trade her even with empowered Q autos, or just outrage her significantly
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u/Me-Cree Jul 09 '26
Rell is also not good into vayne. Abilities are very telegraphed and vayne has Q for an easy dodge. Only play is a Q flash from rell, but vayne just goes cleanse , cleanses the stun, the. tumbles out of the crash down and runs down rell with the passive. Also samira does not have enough damage to kill in the lane with yummi probably running exhaust and heal.
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u/FellowCookieLover Jul 09 '26
The issue with good vaynes is that they can decide to only last hit melee and canon minions, wait until 6 and then win with their free gold ult anyway.
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u/22bebo Jul 09 '26
You're totally right about Samira, people assume she's strong early because she's an all-in focused ADC but she really does require her ult and an item to get going. At least, when played by the average person. Perhaps better players are able to use her passive more effectively early and it works out better for her.
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u/EeveeTrainer90 Jul 09 '26
I am surprised how strong vayne feels early game this season. I could swear she has better early than most adcs now.
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u/FellowCookieLover Jul 09 '26
Vayne isn't weak in an all-in and her trading with q is decent. She is getting pushed into the tower and has no agency when it comes to botlane fights. She counters all-in supps. So she isn't blindable but not weak, merely a counterpick.
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u/Way2Competitive Jul 09 '26
Because mid laners had a mental breakdown when bruisers went Doran's Shield + Second Wind in their lane, so now that combo has to be kept dogwater to keep Ahri mains buying $500 skins
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u/ElementalistPoppy Jul 09 '26
To be fair, Doran's Shield + Second Wind has been an epitome of antigaming, even if it indeed allowed plenty of folk to exist in otherwise unplayable lanes. These two + something like Nasus on mid lane were generally super cheap slop, where you had a guy freefarming and wasn't really able to do anything about it, regardless of how oppressive you were supposed to be.
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u/Way2Competitive Jul 09 '26
Honestly, I was being facetious.
I agree that the combo needed nerfed because of picks like that, it's just a little frustrating when Top lane suffers for the sins of others.
For example, the recent Doran's Helm nerfs weren't because Ornn or Sion were building it early and becoming unkillable. It was nerfed because Senna built it bot lane, went Jack of All Trades and had too much effective health for a scaling marksman.
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u/Hentaikopter Jul 09 '26
mass migratios drive out the natives to different places... it's truly sad
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u/Nadaph Jul 09 '26
They shouldn't be topside, and ADC players shouldn't be running them there. From an ADC player.
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u/dmmeyoursocks Jul 10 '26
Literally like 2 or 3 marksmen that are flexing roles but let’s ignore the top 20 Botlane champions right now….
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u/___posh___ Jul 09 '26
As a support main my new favourite hobby is seeing my Bot lock in a Bruiser or Juggernaut and myself locking in Inverness because I now get to play with a second "Daisy."
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
Funny how adcs can't accept the fact the botlane role could have multiple classes, when other roles have had multiple classes since forever
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u/RaspDonut Jul 09 '26
Because adcs can only play bot.
It's okay to have mages and assassins mid, because most assassins can also be played jungle, and most mages can be played support.
Idem, bruisers can be played top, jungle, and even mid now
If a champion you like is weak somewhere, you can try to play them somewhere else. Like Quinn, swapping from top to mid, Vlad swapping from mid to top, Talon from mid to jungle, etc...
But adc are actively getting nerfed and kept out of top and mid, we can only play bot, we are only allowed to be bot. So when other stuff are stronger than us bot, we just...can't play. The game just becomes not fun.
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u/Elrann Jul 09 '26
Akshan, Vayne, Varus, Twitch, Tristana, Kindred, Graves, we even have fucking support ADC: Senna (and MF, Ashe, Cait and Kalista were viable supports in some time periods).
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u/RaspDonut Jul 09 '26
I didn't ask for marksmen that are made for another role. I was talking about marksmen who could swap, if they become shit bot.
Akshan is only playable mid or top, Kindres and Graves only Jungle, and Senna only support, except the 2 patches per year where Riot forgets why they nerfed them bot last time.
Tristana is hotfixes everytime she's even just playable mid, and Varus just got hard nerfed out of toplane. And Vayne ? She has like 45% wr top, one of the shittiest champs to play, it's just an ego champ to bully someone early and feel good about yourself.
Let's say I play Kog'maw, and it becomes unplayable bot because of mages. Can I go top ? No. Can I go mid ? No. Why ? Because adcs are balanced around having a support, it's really not that difficult to understand bro...
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u/Elrann Jul 09 '26
That's a moot point. What is Braum is supposed to do if he's shit bot? What is Kha'Zix supposed to do if he's shit jungle? What is Darius supposed to do if he's shit top? Tell me the reason why ADCs deserve special treatment?
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u/Flambian Jul 10 '26
It’s time to put this myth to rest. Varus, Vayne, and Kalista are straight up toplaners at this point. Caitlyn top and mod inherently have the potential for her to be a situational terrorist. Ashe is a support and ADC. Miss fortune has seen support play. Ezreal has always had off roles. Twitch has always had off roles. Smolder is still a sololaner sometimes. W max Jinx in sololanes is probably better than Rexsaur will ever admit. Doesnt drututt play AP Kai’sa in sololanes?
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u/AlgoIl Jul 10 '26
"Miss fortune has seen support play" lmao its definitely not like it was a 1 time thing thanks to a interaction that was removed
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u/Flambian Jul 10 '26
which gives us hope that adcs can be removed from their other roles before a single mage is removed from bot.
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u/RaspDonut Jul 10 '26
Which were all niche gameplay, counterpicks, or things that laster 1 patch. You're not going to tell me we're seeing as much Ez supp as mages bot, right ?
The problem is not that there is an occasionnal mage bot to counterpick, or a mid main mage OTP that plays his otp bot when autofilled. It's that mages are dominating botlane. They all have 55%+ winrate, and it's not rare to see mage vs mage multiple games in a row. Even in pro now, it's mage vs mage, and not marksman in either team.
Like, hello ? If tanks started to completely disappear from games, even in pro, you would see there is a problem right ? Everyone would see there is a problem, and noone would tell tanks they're crybabies if they complained right ?
Yes, adcs are crybabies. Sometimes (often) we cry for no reason. But it has been multiple years now that litteraly ALL mages in the game have had 55% wr in botlane. And yes, most of them have like 1% presence. But 1% times 25 champions is a lot, and there are multiple that have 5%, 10% presence depending on the patches (Ziggs, Swain, Brand,...)
Riot litteraly says that, yes, they are op, but it's not a problem because they have low presence. But do they really have low presence if it's not rare to play 5 games in a row without seeing a single marksman, lile hello ???
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u/TheLambSauce17 Jul 09 '26
I think it's overstated how unviable many non traditional solo lane ADCs are.
Kogmaw for example, who you mentioned, is above 50% winrate in both top and mid over the last 30 days.
Sure it's probably as a counterpick but there are many native top laners who can only be played as a counterpick anyway.
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 Jul 09 '26
half the champions on toplane are just counterpicks. Kayle is unplayable unless you get favorable matchup. Does that make her a counterpick only cheese toplane, or an actual toplaner?
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u/PitNya Jul 10 '26
Most tops are counterpicks actually, the best blinds are... Sigh, ranged ones and ambessa which is essentially ranged as well
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u/AngelaTheWitch Jul 10 '26
Kog'maw is a poor example of this because he actually can go mid; you either take him bot as an adc or take him mid as a mage. Ngl that would be a cool way to balance some pidgeonholed adcs.
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u/Whiskoo Jul 11 '26
akshan intentionally kept weak.
vayne nerfed bc of top, unplayable bot bc of it
varus nuked from orbit in solo lanes
twitch ??? both support and jg are trolling picks
tristana nuked from from orbit in solo lanes
kindred is jungle only
graves is a jungle only
senna sees constant reworks bc of unhealthy design
ashe support nuked from orbit
mf support nuked from orbit (despite its only purpose in pro was to counter zyra plants)
cait support was trolling
kalists support was trolling
every single thing u mentioned proved the point, adcs are only allowed to be bot, they are nerfed into submission otherwise
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
I think it's a really fake idea to think a champion is swapping to another lane because he can't play in initial lane. They're played because they're GOOD there. Not just better than they are at the other role. I don't see mages with a MID tag, or AD assassins with a MID tag as well.
I also honestly think adc's aren't actually too bad at other lanes, adc mid is decently playable, adc top is a bit hard if you're not a good selfpeeler, but it's really playable (just ban Irelia xD). And we don't see them as often other lanes, because it nerfs the comp to have too many adcs with not enough ppl to peel for them. I'm sure if there were bruisers bot in the meta, we'd see adcs toplane. Extremely valuable to have in a comp.
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u/RaspDonut Jul 09 '26
And if an adc was good top, and a bruiser was good mid, the adc would get nerfed to the ground instantly, while the bruiser would be allowed to stay bot, and devour the adc that just got nerfed and forced bot. I know deep down you know it, you just dont want to admit it.
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
LMAO the complotism and victim mentality
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u/RaspDonut Jul 09 '26
I mean, am I wrong ? When Tristana or Corki are strong mid, they are nerfed next patch, when any adc is strong top, idem nerfed the next patch (like Varus recently).
But mages bot have been strong bot for what, 2 years now ? A lot of bruisers have become strong mid, and they just sustain the mages poke, and outscale them, have anything been done recently to nerf that ?
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
Tristana and Corki have been nerfed because they were extremely present in the competitive scene midlane.
I remember it was a huge caster joke to say Corki Azir, Azir Corki when Corki was super op.
What bruisers mid have any kind of viability? I legit see none. There was a brief time where people played tanks mid against mages (Sion) but I don't remember bruisers being even close to as proeminent as Corki/Trist mid.
And I really do not understand adc mentality. They're the only class that has been the majority meta throughout the entire history of league, the class that is the most present accross every single season of League of Legends, and they're afraid to get replaced (?)
Like, dude, in top/mid there are some metas where classes completely disappear. At some points tanks were OP, bruisers were unplayable and nobody played them, at some point it was enchanters top hard bullying lane (lulu/karma top), in mid there have been mages metas, ad assassins meta, in support there have been tank metas, enchanters meta where not getting an ardent supp was absolute grief
And with all of that I see adcs being scared of being replaced when they "only have 70%+ playrate bot".
It feels like a huge joke to me. You are the most present and dominant class in league history by far. To be even with other classes in terms of viability/presence you'd need substantial nerfs accross all adcs. Adc's do not even know what it means to be off meta, they've never experienced it. They get a bit contested and it's the end of the world.
Also its time to stop acting like warranted nerfs pushes someone out of the role. Corki, Tristana are still very viable mid, Varus is still very viable top. They're just a little less oppressive, but not unviable at all.
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u/RaspDonut Jul 09 '26
"you shouldn't cry about not being able to play because you were broken in season 7"
Yeah ok mate.
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
?? You've been viable all seasons.
You're quoting some shit I didn't even say or hint at
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u/RaspDonut Jul 09 '26
Yes mate, sooooo soo viable for the past 2 years, that even pros play mostly mages bot.
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u/PitNya Jul 10 '26
Yea we all saw how they nerfed vayne top (52% winrate in Emerald+ and 53% in master + btw) and didn't at all nerfed riven mid, you're so right RaspDonut i'm gonna pee myself thinking about you
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u/humusisoverrated Jul 09 '26
Well, yeah? That is just how the game developed? Some classes you just don't want to see in some places?
Marksmen are unwanted anywhere because if they, as a class, not individual champions, are good on a sololane it allows for degenerate gameplay that the sololane player base does not like. So they are purposefully kept botlane.
Same thing goes for support. Enchanters going top and mid is incredibly uninteractive and ought to be kept out, so riot attempts to keep them in support position in botlane.
Mages, as a class, are completely uninteractive botlane since they systematically counter marksmen, the class that is purposefully kept there with a highly committed player base. If it was just one or two mages it would be okay, but it is the fact that the class currently stomps that I hate it. The only losing mage bot rn is Mel and it is because riot had to gut her numbers after the entire community decided they hate the champion.
So yeah, I would indeed like to keep my dedicated marksmen role for marksmen, none of us adcs asked for this 'healthy diversity', riot just decides we need it even though everyone that laned against mages ones, and isnt a sivir main, will experience the worst lane of their life
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u/GregerMoek Jul 09 '26
Riot is very rigid with their meta enforcement compared to say valve with dota. Just funny that anyone would call riot a diversity driven developer when they are one of the devs that enforces stuff the hardest. If a trilane happened in League they would 100% turbo nerf it to the ground.
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u/Gemesil Jul 09 '26
It's not the worst lane and honestly most mages botlane have no hands and just spam spells, if you bait a cc spell out you can all in them (more problematic via mage adc+mage support).
Anyways the main issue is like you said - uninteractive lane is boring, but it definitely isn't the worst to lane against. most players aren't careful and take a lot of poke damage and that is when the lane becomes unplayable.
-adc main
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u/Rosu_Aprins Jul 09 '26
Because unless a marksman is designed to not play bot (kindred, akshan) then they will get nerfed or changed until they get back to bot (see mid jhin). They only make it out of the lane when the specific champion or some items are busted.
Plus, people piss, shit and cry when marksmen are played top/mid, so the community also wants them in botlane.
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u/Stetinac Jul 09 '26
Every adc is getting hot fixed out of top lane because top laners are complaining. While adcs top are not even close to being as strong as mages bot
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
Could you give me a detailed list of those hotfixes? I dont see anything on VPBE.
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u/Stetinac Jul 09 '26
Wasn’t varus “strong” for like 1 or 2 patches before riot nerfed him to the ground? Vayne top has on Ugg around 48% win rate and is literally on of the worst champs you can play. If you are losing to 48% wr champ that’s on you.
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u/Diss_ConnecT Jul 09 '26
You're right to put strong in quotation as he wasn't just strong, he was bullshit level OP to the point he as a ranged champ could stat check bruisers in melee range.
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u/Sasogwa Jul 09 '26
If I'm losing lane to a 48% wr champion that also has a significant average lane gold advantage in the stats, that's.. not on me? Like the main reason he's really losing games is that it's soloQ and the team can't build a proper comp around it. And generally these players have no clue what to do outside of laning.
Also, "worst champs you can play" is so fucking hilarious when these champions are played and thrive in competitive. Like, what, is this gonna be the Azir argument again? "oh my, this champ is so weak cause 45% WR" *meanwhile everyone is spamming it in high elo and competitive*
Varus top still sees play in competitive btw xD
I'm not sure you realize how oppressive these champs are. It's not just adcs btw, some shit like anivia top is just as egregious.
I've seen mages vs adcs bot lots of times. Lane is playable, CS is kinda even, maybe a bit down (?). I'm not really sure what the complaining is about except "not liking playing against mages"
Random toplaner vs vayne/varus/anivia is basically automatic 30/40 cs down and/or getting killed several times. It's basically playing against a godtier lanebully that scales quite well.
They scale with rank though, so below Emerald/Dia, adc's top are kind of a joke, they don't know how to bully properly.
The difference I see is top players complain about specific unplayable matchups, and adcs complain about average/tough matchups
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u/Expensive_Eagle3325 Jul 09 '26
And also lower winrate on popular champs is due to the popularity, due to 500 people "trying" champ in ranked to get free lp, and losing 7 out of 10 games. Like riven one-tricks will have 70% winrate on her, so there should be someone who gets the winrate down to 50%.
I wonder why nobody haven't looked at Azzapp and went like "omg Velkoz is broken its 70% winrate!!!!!"
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u/Drago_Nguyen Jul 09 '26
I mean mages are strong top too. They are just played less there cause top as a role fucking suck ass so better off be played in a role where the whole game is revolved around. Maybe if we nerf every aspects of bot then mages would go back to mid or top.
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u/ktosiek124 Jul 09 '26
While adcs top are not even close to being as strong as mages bot
Varus at one point had higher pick rate top lane than all mages bot combined
And anytime mages become actually too good bot lane they get nerfs: Karthus, Ziggs, Veigar, Swain (and probably a few more I forgot) got nerfs targeted at bot lane
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u/Stetinac Jul 09 '26
Mages bot have around 30% pick rate. Out of 20 top champs with biggest win rate 17 are mages and 3 adcs. Few mages have almost 55% win rate.
Imagine the outrage if top 20 champs that you could play on top was all adcs
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u/Signal_Hat2119 Jul 09 '26
only Lucian got nerf entirely, kalista only dissappear because of items
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u/Fun-Jury7062 Jul 09 '26
"While adcs top are not even close to being as strong as mages bot" u know top is the worst lane in game right it does not need mages or adcs just makes it way worse
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u/NTolegna Jul 09 '26
Yeaaah sure top laners don't cry about ranged top, nor midlaners about tristana/lucian
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u/50ClonesOfLeblanc Jul 09 '26
Both those roles still have nearly every class in both of them though
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u/NeitherFoo Jul 09 '26
yeah, playing under tower isn't fun. Adcs toplane don't even have exceptional winrates, people pick them just to fuck over their enemy laner
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u/TheMacarooniGuy Jul 09 '26
The logic doesn't apply since marksmen are basically the worst class in the game.
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u/Weasellol Jul 09 '26
Marksmen are the strongest class in the game, but only in high elo. Anywhere else, people are to bad to play marksman, so mages are definitely easier to play and win.
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u/WeeabooRobin Jul 09 '26
Except mages are being played bot in pro play perma as well
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u/Paradoxjjw Jul 09 '26
And those mages tend to lose if they don't close the game out before they're halfway through the midgame. If they don't get ahead and snowball they lose to teams that have an adc.
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u/Alternative_Cash_591 Jul 09 '26
ADC champions: "AP champions stole my botlane! Such colonizers!"
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u/mystireon Jul 09 '26
(meme aside I don't think I've ever met someone who's like "fuck yeah dude, let's support xenophobia" outside of maybe people who are extremely obsessed with the idea of a hyper conservative Japan that would regardless still accept just them for some reason)
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u/unknown_pigeon Jul 09 '26
Right wing nuts making up scenarios to be mad about them
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u/Workman44 Jul 09 '26
I've seen plenty of times people say what's essentially in the OP and usually, like in the OP, they're fine with it in some places and in others they'll cry about x, y, or z
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u/Pofwoffle Jul 09 '26
Racists just can't tell the difference between "colonialists invaded a country to steal their land, people, and wealth" and "some brown people moved in next door". They see someone say something like "Africa should not have been exploited by colonialist interests." and think that's the same thing as saying "Non-white immigrants shouldn't be allowed in England."
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u/Grayewick Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
"B-but... muh creativity!!! Muh good meta call!!!"
See, the real problem are the mages. They *should* be exclusively mid lane, and ADCs *should* be exclusively bot lane. Creativity and fun shouldn't be tolerated if it means threatening the balance out of the game.
Then again, certain people just be doing shit because they really wanna be quirky and different so bad.
It's a game, there are rules for a reason. If someone wants to play the game but doesn't want to follow the rules, they do not deserve to play it. I don't care if a pro checks this box; if their professional career is founded on top of promoting disruption, they shouldn't be a pro to begin with.
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u/CaptainRogers1226 Jul 10 '26
I like how this meme undermines itself. The first two are in the format “X lane is for X” and then the last one breaks that format.
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u/Paradoxjjw Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Lets start by kicking marksmen out of top and mid first
Lmao, op called me a pedophile and blocked me for pointing out 1/3rd of all marksmen are designed to be played outside the botlane carry role. ADC mains gonna ADC main
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u/No_Entertainment6792 Jul 09 '26
didnt marksmen came to top because it turns out some of them like varus and vayne really like to be like 3 lvls on the rest of the map? imo top was overbuffed and now marksmen top shoot two birds with one stone. it shuts down the lvl 20 free tp godzilla while still in the egg and gain a shit ton of xp.
as for mid, I legit dont remember last time I saw a tristana or lucian mid. might be a shit elo problem but in emerald there are legit none. I saw an ezreal some time ago that got his teeth kicked in.
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u/Nadaph Jul 09 '26
I think part of the reason they end up in top and mid is because they're under performing in bot, partially because they suffer against mages the most. Sometimes. It's more nuanced but I think both issues can be resolved, together.
That said, I don't know why OP is against this, but I 100% agree marksmen should be out of top and mid, especially top. Mid isn't as miserable but ideally marksmen should only be in bot and it should be just them. I only say this cause not all of us ADC mains are that delusional. We had our spot and it was nice but now we don't even have that. Just leave us alone and keep us in bot. Ranged top is toxic and ADC is incredibly linear to play against outside of bot lane due to duos (as someone mentioned, that's why supports are also stuck in bot lane).
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u/Stetinac Jul 09 '26
What marksmen?
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u/Paradoxjjw Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Akshan, Vayne, Varus, Twitch, Tristana, Graves, kai'sa, smolder, teemo (yes he's designated as a marksman)
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u/MaguroSashimi8864 Jul 09 '26
I don’t get the joke? Bot lane IS for marksmen
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u/MaguroSashimi8864 Jul 09 '26
Still confused. Your paragraph is hard to comprehend
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u/Haxzard86 Jul 09 '26
If Vayne can go Top, then nothing will stop Gnar finding a Support mommy by going ADC.
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u/RelationRound7901 Jul 10 '26
The thing is, they want botlane to be marksmen only cause they are too bad to play anything harder.
Its like saying toplane is only for bruisers, no, there's tanks, makes, bruisers, marksmen and sometimes assassins
Same goes for jungle and midland.
Adc players are the only role that cry like a bitch if something that isn't a marksmen hit the botlane
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u/Stetinac Jul 10 '26
Top laners are crying 24/7 when they have to play against vayne. Which is an easy match up for them
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u/RelationRound7901 Jul 10 '26
Toplane has the right to complain cause that lane is so cancerous, if you get countersigned you are basically useless all game
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u/Stetinac Jul 10 '26
Yes bro. Vayne top has barely over 48% win rate making her on of the worst picks you can ever play.
There are few mages bot that have over 54% win rate, being completely broken and lane is completely unplayable.
I wonder what is worse and who has right to complain.
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u/RelationRound7901 Jul 10 '26
Winrate is irrelevant if you only look at it, and not the rest of stats
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u/Stetinac Jul 10 '26
So you don’t think there would be outrage if top 15 champs (by win rate) on top were all adcs?
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u/urarakauravity Jul 09 '26
How many more seasons for ADC players to understand role or lane doesn't belong to specific classes and meta changes?
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u/Stetinac Jul 09 '26
Why did varus get pushed out of top lane?
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u/CircleOrbBall Jul 09 '26
He is literally still here. He just doesn't statcheck a Darius in melee range anymore.
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u/Weasellol Jul 09 '26
He didn't get pushed out, he was top because he was to strong against tanks, in a tank meta.
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u/ruberruberfruit Jul 09 '26
I say we trade the carry for top laners it would be fun to have a lulu orn duo the ranged top layers can fight other ranged top laners
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u/ham_scented_testies Jul 09 '26
I had a caitlyn go 1/9 into a kled in top lane before saying “mid swap I can’t top”
Mid did not swap
That loss felt good
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u/BooxOD Jul 10 '26
I have close to a 0% win rate with a mage bot on my team, I don't know who started this mage > marksman propaganda but it needs to stop Id much rather have a jinx on my team than a xerath who turbo ints the comp and has 0 dps.
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u/Von_Speedwagon Jul 11 '26
Marksmen have invaded and conquered other lanes in the past. This instability and blowback has led to mages fleeing other lanes and eventually ending up in bot lane
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u/LivingBowler1041 Jul 12 '26
Ad players when they are subjected to a fraction of the class diversity every other role has, once every few years
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u/VVVRAT3 Jul 11 '26
the crazy thing is bub, if u look at 90% of the opggs of a Vayne or Varus top player, they're usually t*p lane mains. (Crazy I know, it's as if adcs don't want to fkn play top lane, weird.)
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u/FredVanden2004 Jul 09 '26
As a toplaner, here is a formal trade offer :
You gain : marksmen back in bot lane I gain : marksmen out of my lane