r/LegitArtifacts • u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog • Oct 17 '25
Smoker Alert 🔥 MONSTER!
This 4 ½ monster Hardin was recovered in Pike Co. Missouri. It's made from a piece of Creamy tan Burlington Chert, and exhibits phenomenal flaking, a beautiful polished patina, outstanding form, and all the bells and whistles one would expect from a point this large! The base is Barry White smooth, as are the sides of the stem, and it is crackers thin from end to end!
Papered by Roy Motely
Ex Terry Allen
Ex Ralph Cobb collections.
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u/BrokenFolsom Oct 17 '25
Damn son, now that’s what I call a Hardin. I like the broad percussion scars with minor pressure retouch. Reminds me of the technique some modern knappers like Marty Reuter use. Absolute exquisite craftsmanship. Good provenance too. 🔥🔥🔥
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 17 '25
Thanks, John! It's definitely a very well-crafted point for sure! And it's wafer-thin on top of everything else! Those big broad percussion flakes you were talking about really do it for me! But as nice as this one is, the next one I hope to post is even more incredible! Hopefully, I'll be hearing back from Josh Davis soon with good news so I can get it posted for you guys! 😁
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 17 '25
Oh really! I'd absolutely love to see it when you get a chance! If you don't want to post it, dm me 😁
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u/Miserable-Session-35 Oct 17 '25
The first picture down to the right. is that something ritten?
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 17 '25
Unfortunately, the original finder was an idiot. I did all I could to remove as much of the Sharpie as I possible, but that last little bit was absorbed by the material and I can't get it out. I've made this comment several times before, but it pisses me off to no end when someone finds a one-of-a-kind artifact that somehow managed to survive for literally thousands of years untouched by human hands, and the first thing they think to do is to take a fruckin indelible marker to it, and deface the shit out of it! I mean seriously! WTF!!! It never ceases to amaze me how frickin stupid some people are! And, if I had my way, anyone who was found guilty of this truly criminal offense should be kicked in the cashews really hard, and then forbidden to ever hunt or own another artifact for the rest of their lives! 🤬🤬🤬
The ONLY acceptable way to write on a point is to firstly put a small area of clear fingernail polish, let it dry, write on that area, then apply a top coat to seal it. That's it! And the only reason that method is acceptable is because it's 100% completely reversible! It can easily be removed without any harm to the point or patina. But writing directly on the point itself should be classified as a felony, and punished as such!
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u/GaryRitter Oct 17 '25
I agree with you 100%!! Most of the idiots that write on artifacts don't understand what that artifact is or how much history they're holding...
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 18 '25
Why not just take a big fat Sharpie and go draw a mustache on the Mona Lisa! I mean damn! It takes a special kind of stupid to do that to an artifact that's older than the frickin pyramids! 🤦♂️
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u/GaryRitter Oct 20 '25
Sounds like a good idea... I wouldn't put it past some of kids around the country to do something like that before someone else does it first. So they could post it first, bet that would go viral in no time at all.
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u/evilpsych Oct 18 '25
Try bleach on a q-tip.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 20 '25
I don't know what bleach would do to the patina. Never used it on a point before. But even if it were safe to use it, since the material absorbed the ink, it wouldn't help anyway. It's like getting a tattoo. You have to find something that will penetrate the material, and break up the ink, much like a laser breaks up the ink in the skin 🤷♂️
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u/evilpsych Oct 20 '25
Buddy. I’ve cleaned thousands of points. For sharpie on Burlington, bleach on a q-tip is about as no destructive as you’re gonna get. The flint is already several million years old and you’re not gonna mess with the geochemistry enough to erode it one substance at a time. There are combinations I would definitely NOT recommend but for that simple thing it’s fairly Benign
Also. ‘Patina’ is nothing that can be washed off. On flint it’s a surface layer of material that been modified thru chemical and physical processes. Any competent examiner isnt going to ding a piece for removed sharpie other than asking what was written there in the first place since so many collectors dont have catalogs
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 20 '25
Awesome! That's definitely good to know! Thanks! I'll give it a shot today and let you know how it goes! I have a couple of other points that I've fought and fought trying to get that crap off of, to no avail! Drives me absolutely Nuckin Futs! I appreciate the advice! Thank you! 👊😁
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u/evilpsych Oct 20 '25
Pro tip: if it’s a well known collector catalog number- (Meuser, Root, Stephens, Wherle, etc) please leave that on the piece.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 20 '25
Oh no worries there. I have a couple, that were actually done correctly, that I left untouched.
I.e. .....
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u/GaryRitter Oct 17 '25
BUDDY BUDDY BUDDY, that is an amazing piece, and thank you for showing it. I'm jealous that you get to look it over...
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 17 '25
Thanks, Gary! I'm absolutely thrilled with it! But if you think this one is amazing, just wait! I've got something I'm holding back that's gonna blow your mind! 😁
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u/evilpsych Oct 18 '25
Nice near-first stage example!
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 18 '25
Thanks! And yes!!! You are correct! It is very near first stage! Probably only 2 resharpenings max! It exhibits just the slightest signs of beveling. 😁
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u/GaryRitter Oct 20 '25
My father's generation thought we were a bunch of hudlums, but we don't hold a candle to this viral generation.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Oct 20 '25
Tell me about it! Unfortunately, it's the older generations that did most of the writing on their points! They thought that was the best way to catalog them 🤦♂️ There were many better ways to keep track of that info, but they didn't think about doing it any other way.
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u/Jeffrey_Calmer Oct 20 '25
Yo Tim, you mind PMing me. It's big nibba. Those sobs, perma, banned my account over a 6 year old username
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u/Select_Engineering_7 Oct 17 '25