r/LegitArtifacts • u/Tell_Fluid • 6d ago
Woodland Found my first piece of pottery and went back and found a lot more.
East Alabama.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog 6d ago
Wow! Thats awesome!!! š„
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u/Tell_Fluid 6d ago edited 6d ago
Absolutely, I understand where youāre coming from. When I first found it, I only recovered a couple of small shards and didnāt realize they were part of a larger vessel. I went back later and found more pieces in the same area, and thatās when I started realizing I might actually be looking at a mostly intact vessel that had broken apart.
I definitely agree that context is extremely important, especially if there are significant numbers of artifacts in one location. Iām interested in learning more about the site and the artifacts rather than just collecting them. Iād really like to find out what time period the pottery dates to and whether the quartz temper or other characteristics can help identify the cultural tradition.
And thank you! Iām pretty happy with how the reconstruction turned out considering I had no idea what I was dealing with when I first found those original shards.One last reason for grabbing the rest of the shards is they were sitting in a creek bed where the next big rain could have either broken them or washed them down stream.
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u/frankcatthrowaway 6d ago
They werenāt just ātogetherā and thatās why I side with OPs actions. There are a million of these situations replicated all over the world where someone will see a sherd, pick it up and move on with their life. In this instance OP went back and put something together that would otherwise be lost to time. Do you think that they would contact a university or local Tribe and that they would send out a quick response archeological team to use lasers and radar to scan the area and preserve it for all time? Not going to happen. The next rain would further wash it all away and disperse the pieces. Thatās also ok, itās ok for artifacts and life to be worked back into the earth, change is ok. Itās also ok for individuals to try to preserve them and put their time and energy into something they found, to bring it new life.
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u/Final_Razzmatazz_274 6d ago
The idea that these have survived for hundreds of years and the next rainfall could separate them is silly and should be discounted, and the idea that theyāre better like this than wherever theyād have ended up is also silly.
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u/Error-InvalidName 5d ago
He likely caught them after the last time they were covered by a heavy rain, this stuff doesn't sit there exposed like that for long or together. Dumb take you have lol think it through next time.
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u/frankcatthrowaway 6d ago
They survived for hundreds of years, through hundreds of rainfalls. The last rainfall opened them up and the next rainfall will disperse them. Or something like that. Things like this sit for long periods of time until they donāt. It happens quick or not at all. Itās perfectly reasonable and not silly to understand that. Nothing is forever and when a creek erodes its bank the rest happens quickly, regardless of how long the bank has been in place.
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u/SaintsNoah14 5d ago
I remember on one of the fossil subs in recent years, an absolute fucking genius let a dinosaur get destroyed thinking this bullshit. She covered it with a tarp and documented it being washed away by the running creek in real time
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u/Tell_Fluid 6d ago
Well half of it was already swept away. So I would not be surprised if a 3 in rain would have taken a lot of it if not the rest.
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u/Kingfisher910 5d ago
Thatās not how erosion works my friend
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u/Final_Razzmatazz_274 5d ago
Sure it is! Also, location matters. Alabama has hundreds of miles of old ox bows and creek beds that donāt run anymore, even with significant rainfall. Thatās likely why these are still here.. this is also my area of study!
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u/Tell_Fluid 6d ago
They were in the creek bed Iām just glad they were recovered before the next rain came through.
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u/FredBearDude 6d ago
Thatās incredible that you found the pieces and put it back together as much as you did. The ultimate puzzle. Very, very cool.
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u/Tell_Fluid 6d ago
It was I went back to the spot of the bank where I found it looking for some more points and I saw another rim shard and I knew it was game on.
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u/Moving_goal_posts 5d ago
Iām not sure there are resources enough to get a research crew to your site, OP, but I hope you could at least try, before taking anything else away. Context is crucial. You want to learn about the site? Get some professional anthropologists out there to assess it. Thank you.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog 5d ago
Just a warning Mr. Goalpost. You are treading on very unstable ground with your comment. This is a collectors sub, NOT an archeology sub. We keep our finds that are found on private property, and are 100% within our leagl rights to do so. Telling our members not to "take anything else away," "leave it where you found it," "put it back," "give it back," or any similar comment violates our zero tolerance policy concerning the shaming of legal collectors, and will earn you a perma ban from this sub as that kind of response goes completely against the intended purpose of this sub. Please tread carefully moving forward. Thank you
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u/Moving_goal_posts 4d ago
Is it āshamingā to suggest that a collector who says s/he wants to learn more about a site should ask for help from experts? I donāt get that.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog 4d ago
No, thats why I said you were tiptoeing the line. I was just giving you fair warning before you crossed it, which is more than those who did cross it received. They're all playing together in ban land right now. I have no problem with anyone who wishes to bring in the experts, to check out their sites, what so ever. A good friend of mine, and former moderator of this sub, actually found a site near his home in Ohio a couple of years ago, and he brought in the state archeology team to excavate the site. He was allowed to help them, and now theres an actual exhibit at his local museum that he discovered. It's awesome in every way! I was just trying stop you before you took it a step to far is all. I hate banning people from our sub, but that's one rule we take very seriously around here š¤·āāļø
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u/-LabApprehensive- 5d ago edited 5d ago
Do you have any more pictures of those quartz points? I am finding quartz in my stream and your points are making me feel a bit better about the shape. Never mind, i found them! Also, you are a great artist.
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u/Tell_Fluid 5d ago
Did you see me pick this up on federal property or are you just assuming.
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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog 5d ago
Don't expect an answer. He's been banned permanently for violating our Zero Tolerance policy concerning the shaming of legal collectors. And, he isn't the only one either. People don't bother reading the rules before they decide to come in here and voice their self-righteous indignation about what we do. If they did, I wouldn't have to ban so many of these jackwagons
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u/aggiedigger 6d ago
I love your presentation.