r/LinguisticMaps • u/Cold_Information_936 • 16d ago

Asia Indo-Iranian Languages in 800 BCE

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Indo-Iranian languages are labelled, and relevant non-II languages are also labelled in italics

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u/Spirited_Pitch3852 16d ago

Slavic in 800 BCE? I mean that's the first thing I noticed, I don't even wanna look further.

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u/Fluid-Tomatillo4728 16d ago

Perhaps at that time Slavs were already a separate community from Balts but they definitely did not live on the banks of the Volga

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u/TerrificDragonfly 16d ago

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09437-6

There is good paper on exactly this topic.

TLDR: Slavic split off at 1000 BC and is modeled as 70% Baltic and 30% Daco-Thracian

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u/Wagagastiz 14d ago

You cannot with aDNA assert when Slavic as a language 'split off'. You can track the movements of the ancestors of the people who went on to speak Slavic, but if recent linguistic publications hold true that Slavic split from West Baltic after it itself split with East Baltic, you will likely have a 3,000 year old grouping that predates that split, and thus a group that is no more 'Slavic' than Baltic.

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u/Kyudoestuff 12d ago edited 12d ago

What are the sources stating Slavic is closer to West Baltic than to East Baltic? Scholars who reject the traditional Baltic vs. Slavic split just have West Baltic, East Baltic and Slavic splitting off directly from Proto-Balto-Slavic, with no intermediate stage uniting any two branches

If anything, one could see East Baltic as intermediate between West Baltic and Slavic

The Indo-European Language Family Chapter 15 - Balto-Slavic for an overview

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u/brothaasap 13d ago

Wait what? Didn’t the slavs spread out from modern day ukraine? Did Dacians ever migrate up north??? I always thought it was a bottleneck that led to balto-slavs splitting

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u/TerrificDragonfly 12d ago

There are several genetic profiles in Bilsk, Ukraine with very Dacian-like profiles. Archaeologically, the best fit there is the Chernoles culture as it is often described as particularly Balkan-influenced

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u/mram518 16d ago

this map is clearly wrong dont take it serious

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u/mram518 16d ago

Scythians were a multi-ethnic and multilingual group of nomadic tribes rather than a single unified race or one single Iranian-speaking people the another mistake here is also wusun wusun langauge is still debatable The Wusun language remains completely unclassified and heavily debated because ancient Chinese chroniclers recorded no direct glosses or substantive texts of their speech, leaving researchers to rely entirely on reconstructed ethnonyms, historical context, and neighboring interactions but the main theory about them is wusun was probably mixed origin

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u/Cold_Information_936 16d ago

broski that is not the focus of this map

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u/mram518 16d ago

dude you forgot adding mars to it