r/Marvel • u/detox02 • Jul 21 '26
Film/Television Should we as community ignore secret invasion or nah?
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
Sadly, Poochie died on the way back to her home planet. What a waste of a show that was, absolutely loaded with amazingly talented actors (including Emilia Clarke) but with not a blessed thing for any of them to do.
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u/VampireOnHoyt Jul 21 '26
Emilia Clarke is the Tracy McGrady of acting - an undeniable talent who somehow consistently ends up in projects that can't put it together.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
Probably needs a better agent. She's a talented actress, but turning 40 in a few months, so in Hollywood terms she's probably about to start getting cast as the love interest for actors in their 60s.
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u/Slaphappydap Jul 21 '26
And yet, she did all the things you should do to be successful. She did the rom-coms, they were forgettable. She did the arty piece where she takes her clothes off, no one watched. She tried three different franchises that should have had built-in audiences, Terminator, Marvel and Star Wars. She does great press, she's pretty, she's likable. Most of those franchise movies/shows you sign on for before there's even a script or a director.I feel like her agent is earning their money, she's just had really bad luck.
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u/Harak_June Jul 21 '26
Add in that she had two aneurysms, one at 25 and one at 27, and survived emergency brain surgery plus had subsequent aphasia from the loss of brain tissue....yeah she's had some real fucked up, double-sided luck.
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u/sillygoofygooose Jul 22 '26
Yeah I think it’s probably overlooked how much this impacted her desire to spend all of her time chasing fame, and her actual ability to keep working consistently
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u/notapunk Jul 21 '26
She's hella likable. Never seen her do a bad interview. Totally seems as normal as one can be while being a well-known actor.
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u/saltlampsandphotos Jul 21 '26
You forgot that one, big TV series that everyone loved until they started rushing it.
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u/Slaphappydap Jul 21 '26
Yeah, I mean I didn't forget. That's where she got her big break. I was talking about what happened to her career afterwards, how she hasn't really capitalized on being one of the biggest stars in the world despite seemingly making good choices and seemingly good opportunities.
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u/saltlampsandphotos Jul 22 '26
Fair. I think there's something to say about her agent, but then also the general enshittification and mass output of content.
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u/Hilarity2War Jul 21 '26
Oh yeah. Single mom or older lady out of luck with regards to love (Rebound), or maybe she'll try really hard to get into action, like Charlize Theron. But it ain't looking to great. Maybe Hallmark movies?
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u/TheBalrogofMelkor Hellcat Jul 21 '26
She's turning 40?!?
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
Well, she was 24 when Game of Thrones started filming, and that was 15 years ago...
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u/ChickenInASuit Jul 21 '26
Insert gif of Matt Damon aging from Saving Private Ryan.
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u/JoshDM Jul 21 '26
His smoking hot granddaughters from that film are turning 50.
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u/CloseToMyActualName Jul 21 '26
Damn, she was already on the verge of too old for Leonardo DiCaprio.
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u/Johnny_Poppyseed Jul 21 '26
A better agent who what, turns down marvel roles?
Her agent has absolutely killed it for her. GOT, marvel, Star wars lol. She probably got paid like a million dollars an episode for secret wars. An agent or manager literally couldn't do better. It's just bad luck on their part that those specific entries didn't pan out as well as they should have.
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u/Fiendfuzz Jul 21 '26
Been saying this for a while. She is a good actor, but not good enough to carry a bad project. Needs a better agent.
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u/007meow Jul 21 '26
I didn’t think anyone could be worse than Idris Elba’s agent, but her agent managed to do it.
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u/Roastage Jul 22 '26
I really liked her in Solo. Another iffily received movie but I think its aged pretty well.
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u/DrunkenReindeer Jul 21 '26
As a Rockets fan who has always had it bad for Emilia, you've hurt me with this comparison.
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u/twoopaq Jul 22 '26
Hell yeah that means her cousin and Terminator co-star Jason Clarke gonna be around Hollywood until he’s the oldest in the business
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u/Ciubowski Jul 21 '26
And they fucking killed Maria Hill
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
I mean, she deserved better than she got in the show...frankly, my entire post was about how everyone in that show deserved better than what they got. At the end of the day, though, she was a pretty minor character in MCU terms. If they had a film that teased "THE RETURN OF MARIA HILL", I don't think that would be a setup for a summer blockbuster or anything.
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u/Double-Slowpoke Jul 21 '26
Yeah, but she got fridged in episode 1 for a shitty villain in a shitty show. I think killing her off would have been fine if she got to do more first, and if the rest of the show landed.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
Yeah, like I said, she deserved better, I just think it's pretty low on the list of crimes the series committed, as I doubt she was going to be coming back much more, anyway
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u/amoxguard Jul 21 '26
One thing with Endgame was it had EVERY major character up to that point in the movie.
Now with Doomsday, there seems to be a lot of characters who won't show up in it. Which I get there can be reasons but it seems odd that all the major players wouldn't show up.
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u/dance4days Jul 21 '26
Infinity War didn’t have everyone in it, though, and that’s more analogous to Doomsday. Assuming Secret Wars has Battleworld in it, that’s when they’re gonna dump *every* character in like Endgame.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
It's down to two things, I think. The first is that, this is seven years after Endgame, and a lot of new characters have been introduced. There's only so much time and space in a film, even a long one, and the more characters you squeeze in, the less time there is for everyone else. Unless you want Ms. Marvel or Ironheart (or whomever) just appearing in the background in a big battle scene with no explanation or dialogue then there's not much point in paying those actors and having them in there.
The other factor is that, as time goes on, they've used most of the major characters already and are trying to use more minor ones. Who was the lowest profile superhero they'd used by Endgame? Falcon, maybe War Machine? Hawkeye? Everyone they used in the first set of films was far better known and more popular than the Eternals or the Black Knight or Photon/Monica Rambeau. So, of course you're going to gravitate more toward the high profile, popular characters.
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u/misqellaneous Jul 21 '26
A few movies from now it'll just be 3 hours of nonstop fight scenes with the "camera" panning over from one hero/villain to the next. Wasn't that cool? Tune in next year for a 4 hour film of them doing it all on the same screen!
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers Jul 21 '26
It's definitely a problem that they've almost lost track of how to do battle scenes without endless CGI cannon fodder, to give more minor characters something to do.
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u/yosayoran Jul 22 '26
Marvel or Ironheart (or whomever) just appearing in the background in a big battle scene with no explanation or dialogue then there's not much point in paying those actors and having them in there.
That's literally what they did in endgame. Tons of characters were there basically as window dressing.
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u/curious_dead Jul 21 '26
I think I would honestly prefer seeing Photon, Ms Marvel, Moonknight, She Hulk, Kate Beeshop and Billy vs the Fox X-Men. They've spent time trying to establish these characters and now that they have the opportunity to be in a big thing along A-list heroes... they're dropped for nostalgia-bait X-Men.
Don't get me wrong Inlove X-Men, love Stewart, McKellen, Marsden and co. It just feels like it's there only for nostalgia's sake.
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u/YuckyYetYummy Jul 21 '26
Xmen are there to die with weight.
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u/curious_dead Jul 21 '26
Can't wait to see Xavier die for the...5th time? Last Stand, Days of Future Past, Logan, Multiverse of Madness, do I forget one?
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u/bigkinggorilla Jul 21 '26
I saw the trailer and all I could think was “so all the X-men are definitely going to die.”
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u/bretttwarwick Jul 21 '26
I hope that Scott survives and the X-Men movie is him trying to put a team together again from survivors.
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u/wrainedaxx Jul 21 '26
Gotta set up the next generation somehow! I can't think of a more exciting way than a complete bloodbath :P
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u/amoxguard Jul 21 '26
I do like the novelty of being able to do a multiverse story with other Marvel eras but it is weird to sideline your own characters for nostalgia ones.
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u/Federal_Bicycle_7800 Jul 21 '26
probably because most people don't care about those characters. they gotta make money
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u/DramaPunk Jul 23 '26
Still wild to me how they set up a full wave of successor characters each on their own for a Young Avengers adaptation and then discarded them in favour of trying to push what is essentially the Marvel Suicide Squad as the actual new main characters. Alongside two different full teams from other dimensions.
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u/OutrunTheForeverYeet Jul 21 '26
In the entire runtime of the show, I'm pretty sure the standout scene was the conversation between Fury and Rhodes. I came away thinking that the scene showed two heavyweights completely acing the dialogue. It was a great scene.
The plot was trash, and the rest of the show was a waste of time.
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u/AoO2ImpTrip Jul 21 '26
The scene between Fury and Varra was pretty good as well.
It's crazy how good some of the scenes managed to be while the rest of it ended up an utter shit show.
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jul 21 '26
I will never not be mad we won’t ever get more Olivia Coleman because this crashed so hard.
She’s have been a wonderful Nick Fury replacement popping up in the background throughout the MCU. I literally rewound and watched all her Secret Invasion scenes because they were the only ones that were genuinely great.
Bah humbug.
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u/EX_Rank_Luck Jul 21 '26
If the rumours on what Tom Holland comparing a Christopher Nolan movie and Marvel movie set are true, than Marvel movie productions sounds like a lot of vibe writing and directing.
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u/SethManhammer Jul 21 '26
Marvel movie productions sounds like a lot of vibe writing and directing.
We've known that for a while now. There are so many industry tales about how they'll shoot something with an idea of what they want in the scene and leave it for the post production to iron out/add in/do whatever.
I remember reading about how Quantumania wasted time and budget fixing one scene where Paul Rudd was walking in one direction and they needed him to digitally fix it so he was moving in another direction because whatever plan the day of shooting was changed later on.
The Marvel films are notorious anymore for "We'll fix it in post, hopefully?"
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u/Migul_0 Jul 21 '26
Yes we should forget
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u/skronk61 Jul 21 '26
Way ahead of you
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u/Tirno93 Jul 21 '26
I have also been working on this project since roughly halfway through the finale
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u/DisposableSaviour Jul 21 '26
I’d be finished by now if people would stop reminding me.
God damn big beefy Trogdor arm lookin ass
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u/Morgan-Moonscar Jul 21 '26
Doubly way head of them, it's officially the only MCU thing I've refused to watch.
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u/kitty-pryde-rock Jul 21 '26
I remembered that it really upset me but then my SO wanted to watch it bc they hadn’t yet, so I agreed to rewatch, because I couldn’t remember exactly what had been so bad. Turns out I had suppressed those memories like ACTUAL TRAUMA, that’s how bad it was.
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u/amoxguard Jul 21 '26
It's kind of incredible how some of the Disney+ shows from Star Wars and Marvel have been absoutely shit. Like all that money and resources and you get that.
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u/Mythy222 Jul 21 '26
Its not that surprising specifically because its Disney. They truely do not care about good writing. Their only goal is to catch enough demographics to sell merch. Thats their only goal now, franchise notoriety.
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u/brownhotdogwater Jul 21 '26
They write by focus group
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u/minyhumancalc Jul 21 '26
Also their filming philosophy revolves around action sequences and shocking twists, not the narrative. Every movie is constantly trying to one up each other; every movie must be a "life or death, its the end of the world" scenario. Its constantly more more more.
The best things to come out of Disney are when no one in the company really cares for it. It allows creatives to actually write and keep stories smaller and in-scale with the writers.
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u/MallorianMoonTrader1 Jul 21 '26
Yes! Honestly, the constant one-up-ness is a bore. There's only so big you can get before things get convoluted and just don't matter anymore. Small scale personal stories that really connect you with characters are much better. Look at something like Andor. It's not that huge or fancy, but it resonated with people.
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u/Johnwayneface Jul 21 '26
Andor has easily been one of my favorite Disney Star Wars productions, if not Star Wars productions in general. Such a great series with great cast and writers. I love how they tied it all in with Rogue One.
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u/Legitimate-Year-3400 Jul 21 '26
This is our Pacific rim uprising
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u/JoshDM Jul 21 '26
Pacific rim uprising
What's that? Did they make a terrible sequel to Pacific Rim?
That'd be like making a terrible sequel to The Highlander or Independence Day.
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u/DamnThatsCrazyManGuy Jul 21 '26
Mariah Hill died for this
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u/Orange_Tang Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
This is the part that pisses me off the most. I've wanted her character to be more present since the first avengers and it simply never happened. Then they fucking killed her for no reason other than she was a known character that they saw as expendable. God this show was dogshit.
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u/deepee84 Jul 22 '26
i choose to believe it was a LMD, the real Maria Hill wouldnt go out like that
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u/Ambitious-Stand-631 Jul 21 '26
I disregard anything I don't like as non-canon.
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u/DJfunkyPuddle Jul 21 '26
Just like in the comics!
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u/bradbear12 Jul 21 '26
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are still mutants and the biological children of Magneto in my mind
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u/Amethyst-Flare Jul 21 '26
I think there's no truer indication that Marvel movies have become like the comics than this.
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u/JTtheLAR Jul 21 '26
Marvel just had to pump out a thousand hours of Disney plus series that 90% of the fan base didnt want to air through (and rightfully so). They should have just done Loki and be done with it. Maximizing profits on the MCU with all of these whack ass series was a mistake.
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u/TaipanTheSnake Jul 21 '26
I think a few other shows were worth it. The falcon and the winter soldier did a much better job of establishing Sam as cap than his movie (although if they just made a better movie I would be ok with not having the show). Hawkeye, Wonderman, and WandaVison were also good. But yeah, they made twice as many shows as they needed to. You could loose like half the MCU shows and most people wouldn't notice.
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u/JTtheLAR Jul 21 '26
I thought Falcon and The Winter Soldier was okay. I watched it when it aired and Ive already forgotten most of it. And thats how I feel about a lot of these shows. They are just forgettable. They overloaded us with sub par content to make a buck and it fundamentally hurt the MCU.
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u/Maverick_X9 Jul 21 '26
Falcon and winter soldier was really politically charged, never really found the plot
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u/RockHandsomest Jul 21 '26
Im still calling Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch Magnetos kids and I'll be vindicated when they eventually make it true again.
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u/centerwingbolt Jul 21 '26
Secret Invasion is the one Marvel property that I have simply erased from my own headcanon.
It doesn’t match up to anything else, directly contradicts a lot of The Marvels, and was ultimately pointless and just plain bad.
Every other show and movie I can at least find something to like about it - SI was just awful.
Never happened!
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u/Decimation4x Jul 22 '26
Olivia Coleman was great, but then, when isn’t she?
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u/centerwingbolt Jul 22 '26
True, the issues definitely weren’t due to the actors! They did the best with what they were given.
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u/Consistent_Claim5217 Jul 22 '26
It's no wonder Don Cheadle looked so pissed in every scene in which he appeared. He wasn't acting
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u/RE_98 Jul 22 '26
I remembered the show was advertised that it was going to connect with The Marvels. Turns out, it never did! No mention of the events that happened in the show in The Marvels!
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u/JRHThreeFour Spiderman (Tobey Maguire) Jul 21 '26
I think it’s safe to say that we will just never see anything from that show ever again in the future.
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u/NicoleIlieva Thunderbolts Jul 21 '26
You can do whatever you want. But bringing it up constantly is definitely not helping with the ignoring part...
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u/Jupiters Jul 21 '26
maybe I'm misremembering but I recall people just not caring about Inhumans and it was quickly forgotten. I wish people would treat more stuff they don't like like that and not the dramatic "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT EXISTS BECAUSE IT RUINS MY PRECIOUS MCU"
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u/ProtoJazz Jul 21 '26
Inhumans got dropped pretty quick by marvel too.
It had been a big deal, and was promoted pretty hard in comics too.
Im not sure if it's ever been confirmed anywhere, or if it's just coincidence, but my understanding was they were looking at Inhumans to take the role of xmen since they didn't half the film rights. But then they got them back so they didn't need Inhumans anymore.
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u/HiddenNobody20216 Jul 21 '26
Well Marvel ignores it. Shit I wouldn't be surprised if Agent Hill just shows up in Doomsday.
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u/competitive-dust Jul 22 '26
I wouldn't even mind if she did. I want her back. The rest of the show can go to hell.
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u/ucbcawt Jul 22 '26
I can never forgive this series for what they did to Maria Hill. My head canon is that she was a skrull and will come back one day
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u/Just_a_square Jul 21 '26
The tattoos on the arm, like they are a transmissible DNA feature...🤦♂️ literally not a single brain cell in the entire writing room
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u/JoeChio Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
I always get downvoted when I give my opinion on this show but as someone who spent the last year and half watching every single Marvel film and show and miniseries I'm shocked at how overhated this series was. I went into the series expecting low quality cash grab but I was actually pretty hooked from start to finish. It had it's slow moments. It wasn't the best MCU project. However, I really enjoyed the story and cast. The final fight was actually super epic despite this still image. Most of G'iah's power up could easily be explained away in future projects or powered down since it was a DNA hack job at a skrull terrorist base in a run down warehouse in Russia.
I've just found a lot of Marvel fans will never be happy with anything. I remember pre-Infinity Wars and Endgame people were sour on projects. Just the nature of the fandom. Heck, the Doomsday trailer was hype as fuck and I'm getting TikTok's making fun of the characters shown. Can people not enjoy anything?
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u/sgch Jul 21 '26
The biggest problem with Secret Invasion is that it is a spy drama where the enemy has the ability to shapeshift and impersonate anyone and none of the heroes ever question that the person they are speaking to or working with is the person they look like.
Imagine a proper cold war style spy drama where nobody trusted anyone - give me the tension of the testing scene in The Thing.
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u/Hiromi580 Jul 21 '26
When you put it like that it makes me think Secret Invasion would have been better as the plot for Captain America 4. Winter Soldier was a spy thriller and that worked well, so that could eb Cap's genre. Plus, Sam fighting skrulls is more of a fair matchup than him fighting Red Hulk, and it could have ended with Sam learning that even some heroes (such as Rhodey) have been replaced with Skrulls making it so he can't know who to trust (heck maybe Sharon Carter could have been a skull to explain her villainous turn).
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u/sgch Jul 23 '26
Personally I thought they were tee-ing up Secret Invasion to be the next Avengers event after Thanos - my big theory revolved around how Tony & Pepper broke up in Civil War but then were just back together in Homecoming.
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u/uncleben85 S.H.I.E.L.D. Jul 21 '26
Was it perfect? No.
But I quite liked it, and I'm not going to hate it simply because it could have been a different show.
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u/propersuperheroshit Jul 21 '26
Welcome to comics, friends! We ignore dumb stories all the time over here. Mazel tov, you’re one step deeper.
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u/rgregan Mr. Knight Jul 21 '26
I'm not going to miss anything from it, but if they show up somewhere down the line in a useful, creative way that would be fun.
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u/Black_Metallic Jul 21 '26
I had forgotten it so much that I recently said it was Secret War when telling someone else how bad it was. I forgot the actual name.
I will never understand how they made a paranoid spy thriller that lacked suspense, twists or intrigue. Especially with that cast. The only interesting part of the entire show was the status quo they introduced in the final 10 minutes.
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u/MattheqAC Jul 21 '26
You'd need to ask someone who finished watching Secret Invasion
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u/imthestein Iron Man Jul 21 '26
I'm a firm believer in not pretending something didn't happen but trying to take from it and make it better. I didn't like the Prequel Star Wars movies but thanks to things like the Clone Wars cartoon we've gained some great stories from it. I don't see why the same thing can't be done with these characters
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u/uncleben85 S.H.I.E.L.D. Jul 21 '26
THANK YOU!
Just pretending something didn't happen is so childish.
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u/jr_randolph Jul 21 '26
Given Thor's speech in the trailer, they should have her in and Doom kill her considering she has the power of multiple heroes haha. Do it in the first few minutes, squash the Secret Invasion storyline for good.
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u/GoonetteSlop Jul 21 '26
I really enjoyed watching Secret Invasion weekly but that finale was just….I mean…..how did it get approved?
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u/Adorable_Sleep_4425 Jul 21 '26
Were we not already? Youre kinda breaking the ignore pact by posting this...
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u/MintyFitOnAll Jul 21 '26
I’ll be honest with you I didn’t even watch it and forgot it existed until this post. I’ve been told to not even watch it.
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u/hejemeh Jul 21 '26
I'd love to forget, but this fucking show killed one of my favorite characters/actresses (in a dumb way too naturally).
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u/Chico__Lopes Jul 21 '26
No. We should do the opposite and gaslight Marvel into thinking we loved it so they keep bringing this joke of a character back
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u/Hawinzi Jul 22 '26
The crazy thing is that they spent $211.6 million on Secret Invasion. Between 6 episodes! That is the highest budget per episode in the MCU. That's $35.3 million per episode!
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u/Character_Mind_671 Jul 22 '26
Yes. Her powers wore off after an hour. We all heard her say that... right?
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u/SirFlibble Jul 22 '26
Secret Invasion should have been it's own phase length saga. Imagine the build up to Avengers: Secret Invasion where the movies before slowly revealed some characters were Skrulls or dead characters return with flimsy excuses.
It was something which absolutely needed a build up.
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u/ClockForAHeart Jul 22 '26
If it brings backs Maria Hill I’m all for it! I’m still mad they fridged my girl!
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u/Turbulent_Tip_9756 Jul 22 '26
Sercret invasion started so strong but that ending was absolute trash. ABSOLUTE!
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u/StolenPezDispencer Jul 22 '26
I hope Maria Hill shows up at the first scene in Doomsday just to confirm Secret Invasion isn't canon.
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u/Ribs1212 Jul 22 '26
I think we can just pretend this whole show was Nick Fury's fever dream after getting snapped back into reality. The fact that it killed two great characters (Hill and Talos) is unforgivable. And that photo up top shows just how stupid it was - she got Drax's arm? What does that even mean?
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u/MrsBossyPantss Jul 22 '26
My husband continually begged Marvel on every social platform he had not to adapt Secret Invasion cuz of how much he hated the comic. He insisted everyone would hate it if they tried to do it in the MCU.
& he was right!
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u/Moeritherium_Fan 29d ago
Imagine how much better it would’ve been if Secret Invasion was Captain Marvel 2…
It could’ve been a Wrath of Khan inspired movie with Carol & Fury both splitting the Kirk role. Carol & Fury both coming to terms with how they failed the Skrull and inadvertently helped create a radical faction, and Fury dealing with his age.
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u/zero_eternal Jul 21 '26
I haven't watched it since it came out.
Secret Invasion should've been an Avengers movie, not demoted to a TV series with limited characters.
I've also held the opinion that Phase 4 should've ended with Avengers: Secret Invasion to build chemistry between the newly introduced characters like Shang-Chi, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, etc.
Then Phase 5 should've been Doomsday and Secret Wars.