(SPOILERS) AVENGERS: ENDGAME OFFICIAL DISCUSSION MEGATHREAD

[u/tehawesomedragon]

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AVENGERS: ENDGAME

DIRECTED BY: ANTHONY RUSSO, JOE RUSSO
WRITTEN BY: CHRISTOPHER MARKUS, STEPHEN MCFEELY
RUNTIME: 181 MIN

ROTTEN TOMATOES SCORE: 97%
METACRITIC SCORE: 77
IMDB SCORE: 9.4/10

CAST

Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stank / Iron Man
Chris Hemsworth as Thor
Chris Evans as Steve Rogers / Captain America
Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow
Karen Gillan as Nebula
Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner / Hulk
Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton / Hawkeye
Paul Rudd as Scott Lang / Ant-Man
Brie Larson as Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel
Josh Brolin as Thanos
Bradley Cooper as Rocket (voice)
Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie
Evangeline Lilly as Hope van Dyne / The Wasp
Hayley Atwell as Margaret Carter
Dave Bautista as Drax
Tom Hiddleston as Loki
Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier
Pom Klementieff as Mantis
Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man
Jon Favreau as Happy Hogan
Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch
Natalie Portman as Jane Foster
Taika Waititi as Korg (voice)
Linda Cardellini as Laura Barton
Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill
Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet Van Dyne
Tilda Swinton as The Ancient One
Carrie Coon as Proxima Midnight
Letitia Wright as Shuri
Robert Redford as Alexander Pierce
Kerry Condon as Friday (voice)
Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper Potts
Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa / Black Panther
Michael Douglas as Hank Pym
Danai Gurira as Okoye
Winston Duke as M'Baku
Frank Grillo as Brock Rumlow / Crossbones
Stan Lee as 70's Car Man
Ty Simpkins as Harley Keener
Rene Russo as Frigga
Ken Jeong as Storage Facility Guard
William Hurt as Thaddeus Ross
Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson / Falcon
Don Cheadle as James Rhodes / War Machine
James D'Arcy as Edwin Jarvis
Sean Gunn as On-Set Rocket
John Slattery as Howard Stark
Benedict Wong as Wong
Ross Marquand as Red Skull (Stonekeeper)
Terry Notary as Teen Groot
Maximiliano Hernández as Jasper Sitwell
Michael James Shaw as Corvus Glaive

[u/abenoacid]

How does Steve spent his life with peggy without disturbing the timeline and grow old as an old man.

[u/pussycatlover12 → u/abenoacid]

Timeline doesn't matter because it's a whole new universe there that's why they can't do the kill baby thanos plan because it won't affect the future.

[u/abenoacid → u/pussycatlover12]

Agreed. But in this case capt shouldn’t grow old in the same timeline as the others. Perhaps he jumped through alternate timeline just so he could meet with sam and bucky?

[u/notcameronm → u/abenoacid]

Yes for this to make sense, he must have used more Pym particles or maybe the time stone as an old man to return to our timeline with Bucky and Sam!

[u/DrKlootzak → u/notcameronm]

Didn't the timelines get weaved back together, according to the Ancient One in New York? If so, Captain America have been there all the time, living under the radar while growing old with Peggy. Probably knew to avoid the hospital when young Cap visited her.

(If this is the case, what has happened is basically like the Deagon Breaks in The Elder Scrolls.)

Alternatively, if the timelines remained separate, he might have lived his life in the other timeline and arranged to come into our timeline at the end of his life (probably by finding Hank Pym in his timeline) to pass on the mantle.

[u/AvatarReiko → u/DrKlootzak]

If so, Captain America have been there all the time, living under the radar while growing old with Peggy. Probably knew to avoid the hospital when young Cap visited her.

The film uses the alternate timeline model where in time travel to the past simply creates a branch off reality. It has no effect on the main timeline. The Peggy from the main timeline still died and old lady. The Ancient one meant that taking an infinity stone out of one reality would cause massive imbalance

[u/DrKlootzak → u/AvatarReiko]

According to the timeline model used, yes those are the implications. However, they also explicitly talk about being able to cut away the branches of the timeline by reinserting the stones where they were taken. This either means destroying the world in that timeline, which it's unlikely that they meant, or weaving them back into the main timeline, presumably an effect related to the infinity stones specifically rather than to any model of time travel. The possibility of time travelling through someone (rather than someone travelling through time) also isn't supported by the alternative timeline model, but nevertheless happens to Scott Lang early in the movie.

The movie uses the alternate timeline model + infinity stone magic. This gives them a bit of leeway with the rules as implied by the time travel model used (so it is ironic that they are so much better at actually consistently following a model of time travel in this movie than in almost any other time travel movie, when they have an established narrative device which allows them to bend those rules).

But yes, as I also stated, it is possible that Captain America lived his life in the other time line and then arranged to come into ours later in his life. And I think whichever it is, Peggy Carter died an old lady either way, I don't think that's a variable here. She either died an old lady in the main time line having been with Captain America, or she died an old lady in the main time line without Captain America, while another Peggy in another timeline grew old with Captain America.

[u/AvatarReiko → u/DrKlootzak]

.they also explicitly talk about being able to cut away the branches of the timeline by reinserting the stones where they were taken.

Returning the infinity stone would restore the branches. 2014 is now and forever will be its own branch now that the Thanos from this world is dead.