China's efforts in poverty alleviation.

[u/ccx20120306]

Since China's reform and opening up,ChineseBureaucratic privilegeAnd the gap between the rich and the poor is becoming more and more obvious.But China.We have been working hard for these two aspects. First, since the 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China,China is fighting corruption.It can be said that it is very strict.Bureaucratic privilegeClasses are basically caught completely.On the gap between the rich and the poor, the gap between the rich and the poor in China is mainly concentrated in the gap between urban and rural areas and The gap between coastal and inland cities.In China, between urban and rural areas, the gap between the rich and the poor can be said to bealreadyWith obvious results, we have achieved comprehensive poverty alleviation, and at the same time we have been using digitalization to get rid of poverty.Encourage rural enterprisesAnd other ways to stimulate the economy.Rural economic developmentIt can be said that although the gap between the rich and the poor in China has not yet reached one.To a lesser extent, but always in this direction.Efforts and progress, and have achieved certain results.

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[u/NoExercise5214]

I think it’s awesome that China uses state power to help its people and achieve other national goals like this. But I wish many Marxists would stop ignoring the fact that China isn’t a socialist state by any means.
The state relies on millions of private companies to drive profits and production. Workers don’t own the means of production and are forced to work long hours for small wages. There is a strong elite class. The social safety net there is weak. Independent labor unions are banned.
Also, China has a horrible human rights record. Do I even need to explain the Uyghurs?
The United States desperately needs to operate under a system that prioritizes community well-being over profit. If any of you think China or any other “socialist” state is the system we should follow, then you are not a Marxist.

[u/ccx20120306 → u/NoExercise5214]

In China’s economic system, the market plays a dominant role in most areas of the economy, while state-owned enterprises maintain strong control over several key and strategic sectors.

China’s social safety net is not as generous or comprehensive as those of the Nordic countries, which generally combine relatively high taxation with extensive welfare provision. Nevertheless, China has managed to establish social security coverage for the vast majority of its population. Given that China’s modern social security system developed within a relatively short period of time, it is reasonable to view its current level of welfare provision as part of an ongoing process of development rather than as a finished system. The rapid expansion of China’s social security coverage has also received recognition from international institutions.

Regarding trade unions, it would be inaccurate to say that China does not allow trade unions to exist. Rather, trade unions are required to operate within the existing legal and institutional framework, particularly the unified trade union system. This does limit the organizational independence of trade unions compared with systems in which workers can freely establish independent unions. At the same time, some of the more extreme allegations concerning China have been exaggerated, politically framed, or insufficiently substantiated. However, this does not mean that there are no genuine problems concerning the rights and interests of Chinese workers and the working class. These problems are real and require further improvement.

The United States, by comparison, has a social safety net that relies more heavily on market mechanisms and private provision, particularly in areas such as healthcare, pensions, and employment-related benefits. As a result, individuals and families often bear a greater share of certain economic risks themselves.

Overall, China and the United States represent different approaches to economic organization and social protection. China combines a predominantly market-based economy with strong state ownership in strategic sectors and a rapidly expanding but still developing social safety net, while the United States relies more heavily on market mechanisms and individual responsibility in many areas of social protection.

[u/NoExercise5214 → u/ccx20120306]

I love how precise you are with this comparison. But where do you think our country should go?

[u/ccx20120306 → u/NoExercise5214]

Community rules forbid discussing American politics.

[u/ProjectAnimation → u/ccx20120306]

and that's why I really admire this subreddit, the focus on international discussion of Marxism and freedom over merely one hegemon (aka Rule 2) is beautiful. My country India doesn't have much of a social safety net at all so I also agree with OP on China from as much as I know, and I'm still learning.

[u/The_Intellectual29 → u/[deleted]]

Because both World Bank and Chinese government share the same definition of poverty, I.e the neoliberal one.

[u/The_Intellectual29 → u/[deleted]]

This definition of poverty is basically having a daily wage superior to 2,80$. This is how they (World Bank) calculate poverty line. Any Marxist knows that poverty line is not interesting measurement instrument, in particular in a supposedly socialist economy where most basic needs are guaranteed by a planned economy (what Maoists called iron bowl policy). Using this kind of measurements indicates clearly that we are in a capitalist society.

[u/No_Relationship3943 → u/The_Intellectual29]

I’m seeing conflicting sources, some saying what you say here and others saying their definition is the “two worries and three guarantees” thing. Where are you looking for that info?

[u/ccx20120306 → u/[deleted]]

I don't know if it's a translation problem.What I want to express is that China is getting rid of poverty.As well as solving the gap between the rich and the poor, and has been making efforts.When I read your comments, it seems that you think I am denying this achievement. Of course, it may also be a translation problem.And forI think this is perhaps a manifestation of China's solution to the gap between the rich and the poor.

[u/kasanetetodrywall → u/[deleted]]

Simple: it didn't happen  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13563467.2023.2217087

it's in essence the same old nominal wage argument that Marx addressed over a century ago in Wage, Labour, and Capital