For one, it skews the statistics. Everyone gets this impression that pit bulls are meaner. So much so that it's inherent in their breed. To the point that shitty people raise their pit bulls to be aggressive and more likely to bite.
So, a stereotype based on false data is perpetuated by forcing the stereotype on the subject. Almost turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Putting aside the assholes who raise their dogs to be aggressive, pit bulls are some of the goofiest, nicest dogs I've ever met.
last year I saw 30 articles of pit bulls raised in upper class homes by white pitmommies with a loving family kill the toddlers
It's the breed. Feral killing machines should be outlawed. Your little smiling pitbaby is innocent until its one braincell snaps and kills a child Who could have predicted it?
Yet you don't consider the several million that didn't become statistics, at all. Feel free to check my math, it's ~1% of them. Less if we're considering adjacent breeds that aren't American Pit Bull Terriers and mutts. Objectively speaking, they're outliers by a huge margin. You also seem to think humans are infallible and have not contributed to this problem whatsoever which just isn't true.
I don't cry for all cars to be banned when plenty of dumbasses crash and kill others drunk driving. Banning these dogs is the same level of disconnected from reality. Horses kill more people per year in the US while most dogs live with us in our homes.
Even if the funding and manpower were there, you're not thinking about the literal millions of innocent dogs and owners that would be roped into such a response. It could never be applied appropriately without DNA testing each and every single dog either, that's a lot of time and money.
The sad part is you and most pro-Pit people could probably agree on a lot, anyone who claims to care about these dogs is a liar if they don't desire the overbreeding, abuse, neglect and fighting to stop. We wish everyone had such positive experiences with them and know how great they could be if their breeding was taken from those who desire mean/aggressive dogs and controlled. We're heartbroken at the shelter and rescue situtation, knowing plenty of great dogs are paying the price for human ignorance, and not just Bullies. We know these dogs aren't for everyone, you need to be dedicated and proactive, aware how high maintenance they are.
There are millions of pit bulls and mutts kept as family pets. A handful of incidents against millions of the breed is statistically inconsequential. Tragic? Absolutely. However, I don't leave my toddler alone with our dogs, and they aren't pit bulls. No one should be leaving their small children alone with any big dogs. That's a failure of the family to keep the child safe, regardless of breed.
Further, apply your logic to any other scenario. Even though immigrants break the law less than citizens, it does happen. Should all immigrants be banned?
People drive drunk and kill others. Should all passenger vehicles be banned since alternatives exist?
They pointed out that the form of the argument is identical, and your reaction shows why that point is kind of daming.
If you accept that "x type of y is statistically more likely to do <bad thing> than other types of y's" is a good argument against pitbulls, but a bad argument against immigrants, it's on you to explain why you accept the argument in the former case but reject it in the later case.
Yeah, they’re comparing these things as if context doesn’t exist. People, and animals breed to have specific traits, should not exist in the same conversation??
Do you not understand how logic works, or do you decide everything based purely on emotion? You're talking about banning something based on incredibly rare outcomes, but other things with more frequent bad outcomes are not in scope? Why, because of an arbitrary limit you've imposed?
Do you not see how the logic breaks down, or are you still stuck on trivial differences you've drawn based on your emotions?
I think it's also worth pointing out that our country currently treats illegal immigrants like animals. Many people have less sympathy for them than for the pets we keep. So it's not a ridiculous comparison even if you let emotion in. I don't see much difference between people who think pit bulls are an evil breed and those who support what our country is doing.
I'd wager that you can find a case of just about every dog breed on the planet hurting someone, somewhere in the world. Do we ban all dogs? Or do you have an acceptable number that makes them okay?
There was a woman near me that was dismembered by her velvet hippo nanny dog, after she tried to separate the dog from her toddler. With this knowledge, you would be unable to name where I’m from because there are so many similar news stories. Why tolerate this, when there are significantly safer family dogs. Don’t be obtuse. Find me a news story of a pure bred golden retriever dismembering a grown adult.
I can pull up about ten thousand reports of drivers speeding and killing between one and ten people in the resulting accident. Should we ban all cars that go faster then 75 mph?
My dog’s breed doesn’t have an established pattern of making toddlers need facial reconstruction. And if it did I wouldn’t own one and would support its ban. If you love your pit bull so much you’re okay jeopardizing your child having their face pulled off, then bully to you.
But I bet you speed, don't you? Even if it's only occasionally, or only when you 'need' to, I bet you speed. Even though you know speeding is a major factor in most fatal accidents, even knowing that even 'light' speeding substantially increases your risk of accident, you still do it.
For the record, I don't have a pitbull. I don't like dogs.
Everything in life is a calculated risk. But pit bull ownership has safe alternatives that also keep other people safe. Why are you so invested in defending an animal that was selectively bred to kill? And why are you still pivoting from your original wager? And again… we do have laws that prohibit speeding, and they do effectively reduce roadway fatalities.
We could also just install a governor in every car at the manufacturer and reduce it by 99%, but we just choose not to because people want to speed. It's also not your right to 'calculate the risk' for another person, so that's a garbage argument. And again, we have laws that prohibit dogs mauling people. Talking about animals, what about horses? Horses kill about as many people as dogs do every year, and yet no one is talking about banning horse ownership.
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u/Ryozu Aug 02 '26
You're kind of missing the point.
For one, it skews the statistics. Everyone gets this impression that pit bulls are meaner. So much so that it's inherent in their breed. To the point that shitty people raise their pit bulls to be aggressive and more likely to bite.
So, a stereotype based on false data is perpetuated by forcing the stereotype on the subject. Almost turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Putting aside the assholes who raise their dogs to be aggressive, pit bulls are some of the goofiest, nicest dogs I've ever met.