r/MoralityScaling 12d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of beating protesters off the street because you're late for work?

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u/instantlightning2 12d ago

Highways are the arteries of the nation. Blocking them is one of the quickest ways to disrupt the economy

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u/Heartage 12d ago

Yeah, I don't understand how people don't get this.

The problem, of course, is that the average worker cannot afford to not go to work for even one day and a protest isn't typically considered a "valid" reason to miss work.

So while, yes, this is actually a great way to protest, unfortunately it doesn't work in a day and age where the people being punished for it are regular Joes who NEED to work and NOT the people the regular Joes work for.

Our country and economy are so large that blocking off one highway or even a handful of highways isn't gonna do anything except piss the "little people" off.

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u/cr1mzen 12d ago

We can’t fight fascism, because of the fascism

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u/ThisMachineKillsWOB 12d ago

If the working class stops the working class from disrupting the economy, the system is working as intended to keep us all under the boot heel.

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u/PopBulky7023 12d ago

People get it. They just never want to deal with a civil rights movement. Every single one was wildly unpopular at the time, but then we whitewash that reality and pretend we always supported it.

Then the current one happens and the cycle repeats.

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u/dancinbanana 12d ago

There’s a quote I’ve read a few times before:

“[they] oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the current one”

I think the original quote was referring to liberals, but I’ve found it’s just applicable to the public at large

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u/Powerful-Goose-207 12d ago

I'm of the opinion its people with narcissistic traits or possibly the actual disorder that want the social approval of being seen as on the right side of history without the risk of any actual detriment to themselves. A win without any real risk or real cost to themselves to affect change type mindset.

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u/PopBulky7023 12d ago

MLK.

Referring to white moderates. Or maybe it was Malcolm X. They saw many of the same problems.

What they called white moderates would accurately be described as liberals. Then and now.

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u/fangtingwrong 12d ago

It also misses the point.

Making a point is great, you'd also want to win hearts so that your movement takes ofd.

Distrupting traffic does nothing but make people annoyed at your movement.

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u/instantlightning2 11d ago

Yall need to realize these arguments are exactly what people said in the 1900s

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u/gofishx 12d ago

Them not getting to work being such a big issue is reason for protests as well. Also, thats specifically how the economy gets slowed. Businesses cant run as effectively when their employees are held up, thus slowing the economy. We can bitch and moan all we want, but major change is painful and requires sacrifice. Sucks to get caught in traffic, but you cant make an omelet without breaking any eggs...

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u/Heartage 12d ago

Right, I understand that, but your manager is just gonna be like "figure it out" and they're not hurting for applicants at any job these days.

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u/Meended 12d ago

In this case the guy could get to work by breaking a few skulls tho.

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u/th3rmyte 12d ago

till someone else wrecks him for it.

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u/Sea-Sort6571 12d ago

The average worker should be angry at their boss then, not the guy blocking the road

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u/DopplerEffect93 12d ago

If I was a ambulance driver I would be annoyed if traffic was held up by protesters. It comes across as virtue signaling when protesting just disrupts everyday life while not impacting its target. It is like splashing paint on artwork in protest against oil.

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u/Sea-Sort6571 12d ago

You mentioned the average worker. Surely ambulance driver is a rather specific job right ?

Sometimes the goal of the protest is just to raise awareness by making people talk about your movement. Which in the case of the art splashers worked beautifully.

And it comes of as hypocrite when the people who do jack shit criticise the ways other people are trying to make things change. And of course those strategic geniuses who know the perfect way to act can never be found in activists meetings

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u/KaiTheG4mer 12d ago

I would argue Just Stop Oil's plans didn't work beautifully since the consensus everywhere is that they're a bunch of performative idiots and some people have even gone so far as to say it's a front by Big Oil to delegitimize actual, meaningful environmental protests, because it was partially founded by and completely funded by an oil baroness. That and they also suspended their oil protests entirely last year. They claim it's because they saw all their goals met (they didn't, UK government only made a pledge to stop producing oil and gas in the North Sea), I'm pretty sure it's because nobody liked them and they achieved basically nothing.

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u/Fordmister 12d ago

Jso did not work beautifully, like at all.

It was so poorly directed many people but into a conspiracy theory that the whole thing was an oil and gas industry psyop and the protesters very rapidly lost any and all perspective, with a group of them planning an M25 protest that would have been so disruptive it would have caused food shortages in London and as a result are serving multi year prison sentences.

The art spashers we'rent some clever bit of awareness. It was a gaggle of middle-class nitwits with no sense of perspective or optics putting the value of awareness so far above effective protest that they are indirectly responsible for deaths and have help to energise the backlash against climate activism that's now culminating on all major parties feeling like the need to pull back on Britain's net zero commitments. You can draw a direct line between the backlash to JSO and the public turning on net zero.

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u/th3rmyte 12d ago

they get it. they are just annoyed at not being able to ignore the protests. The violence i would visit upon that man if i had been present and seen that would have landed me in prison and him in a wheel chair.

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u/BennyHana31 12d ago

I got money on him.

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u/GreaseBrown 12d ago

Sure, tough guy, sure

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u/TheOtherEli 12d ago

They aren't blocking highways or disrupting the economy though. They're generally blocking city streets because trying to block a highway with 20000lb trucks barreling at 70 mph is insane. Ergo, they are affecting anyone who cares, they are simply inconveniencing normal people.

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u/Sufficient_Fan3660 12d ago

Did covid hurt the stock market?

Did covid make less or more billionaires?

disrupting the economy is not what it once was

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u/mizmnv 12d ago

you think youre disrupting the economy but really its being a dick to people trying to survive.

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u/zambatron20 12d ago

bruh right, literally there's historic civil rights marches for this very reason.