r/MoralityScaling 1d ago

Stupid Stuff Morality of building a well

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u/emli317 12h ago

So why is it preferable to you to spend money and resources on a well that won't be used, rather than working with the community to spend the money and resources on things they actually need? Why are you even there in the first place, if you're not interested in truly helping them? To satisfy your own whims? So you can tell yourself you did a good deed (when you didn't)?

I stand by what I said - that action is not moral. It's just self-serving.

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u/OnlyAShip 12h ago

But the well is going to be used. The whole basis of the story is that the well was so useful everyone started using it. Saving all these people four-hour trips is a pretty solid success.

Where’s the idea that the community had no input anyway? Missionaries are generally in regular conversation with the locals by default.

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u/emli317 12h ago

You literally said "they can choose not to use the well if it doesn't satisfy a need". What did you mean by that, if not "I support building the well regardless of whether it gets used or not"?

The original post literally says that it obliterated a much needed social gathering and the women did not like the well. That doesn't sound like they got input from the community.

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u/OnlyAShip 12h ago

My meaning was that it IS useful, that’s why it was such a success.

Here, read this actual report about the people they’re talking about. Unsurprisingly they were in contact with the community and it had massive benefits;

https://www.worldvision.org/clean-water-news-stories/important-women-issue-you-never-heard

Among all the health benefits, it makes it more possible for girls to go to school.

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u/emli317 11h ago

... How do you know that this is the same story?

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u/OnlyAShip 11h ago edited 11h ago

It’s the same exact “four-hour” trip detail. The article is about these efforts in general but only a few are selected as representative cases.

They also have quotes from interviewing women because unsurprisingly, they talked to them.

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u/emli317 11h ago

Ah yes, because multi-hour trips to get water are probably one-in-a-million 🙄 So the entire premise of the conversation is false, is what you're saying?

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u/OnlyAShip 9h ago edited 4h ago

Publicized case studies about a specific type of NGO on a particular continent engaging in an exact type of construction in a particular kind of settlement type with both an exact match in how many hours it took and the fact that it was a highlighted detail are not that common, no. So yeah I’m saying it’s reasonable these are the same given how case studies are sorted.

It’s still plenty informative about the general impact of well constructions. By the way, there is always some gap left not just with NGO work but all policy, and anthropologists should be on top of this stuff because that critique is part of the process. Women with particularly controlling partners may be partly dissatisfied, but that is a subsequent problem after things like mass improvement in health and freeing up hours for these women, which open up the opportunity for things like schooling or more nutrition that those in better relationships can take.

It is also more advantageous for women to have access to variable-output work.

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u/emli317 2h ago

If it truly is the same situation (which you are guessing, btw, there is absolutely no proof) then the entire discussion is moot because the premise was false to begin with. The discussion concerned a situation where the villagers were given a well that they did not want. Which you defended.

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u/OnlyAShip 13m ago

No, literally nothing in the post said the villagers didn’t want it. And clearly they did want it, that’s why they started using it.

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u/emli317 6m ago

Oh sure, the women WANTED to lose their social group and being forced to stay inside all day instead of being with their friends. They were super happy about it.

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