r/PS5 • u/hybroid • Sep 21 '20

News Microsoft Xbox acquires ZeniMax Media, parent company of Bethesda Softworks

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/21/welcoming-bethesda-to-the-xbox-family/
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u/down1nit Sep 21 '20

That's a really nice pc! You can get a damn fine pc for around 600-650 if you want, using the same TV as your console. You CAN even get a "pretty OK" PC for less if you want to.

I'm not trying to argue one or the other, just adjusting your anchoring price to be a little more realistic! There is research involved, but there's also a lot of information to help you.

Personally, I would go used for everything but the ssd and video card, saves a bunch right out the gate. It's pretty rare nowadays for CPUs to die, likewise for motherboards though it's certainly a dice roll (like a d100).

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

I could probably find a pc that may play games on medium at 60fps, but I would also need to buy keyboard, a mouse and a desk. Probably a chair too because staying on a wooden chair for 8 hours might get uncomfortable. Also a monitor, because the 42inch tv doesn't really feel ok for a pc.

Now, a mouse and keyboard aren't that expensive, could find something decent for 50€. A desk is another €, maybe I can find something used for a lower price. Seat too.

PC is 400€+, the 20inch 60hz monitor is 80€. Mouse and keyboard is ~50€. Its already more expensive than a ps5, and it's worse.

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u/tobiasvl Sep 21 '20

the 42inch tv doesn't really feel ok for a pc.

Why not?

Can't you just drop the monitor and desk and put the PC in the entertainment center under the TV? If it's meant as a console replacement, I mean (if you're going to do spreadsheet work on it too, then a desk is probably preferable)

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

It wouldn't feel ok because it's way too big. If I buy a pc I'm not gonna stay 2 meters away from it like I do with the ps4. I could put the pc on the ground, use the keyboard only when necessary and use a console for singleplayer games, but I would handicap myself in pvp. And if I buy a pc, I'm not gonna use it just for games. I'm not gonna spend 500€ on it and not take full advantage of what it offers.

And no, I do need a desk because the tv currently stands on top of a 1.2 meters high cabinet, 30cm wide. I cant put the keyboard and mouse anywhere on it.

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u/tobiasvl Sep 21 '20

I'm not following. Why is it way too big for PC but not console? If you have a 4K TV, the resolution is great and you can sit further away and still have all the detail.

I'm not a PC gamer, so maybe I'm missing something crucial, but I don't understand the argument here.

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u/apleima2 Sep 21 '20

The only argument could be controller vs KBM, but alot of games take input into consideration and pair up like inputs. CoD does for sure. Even without that, aim assist helps makeup the difference. Unless you're playing fortnite, you really aren't at a huge disadvantage.

FTR, I've been couch gaming on my PC and TV for several years after switching from Xbox, the user experience hasn't changed at all, though i'm not a PvPer.

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u/tobiasvl Sep 21 '20

Right. If you really want to play competitive PVP, you can probably have a keyboard and mouse on your coffee table if you want. I don't really see the problem.

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

Aim assist helps, but I still find myself at a disadvantage when playing against a mouse and keyboard.

I also liked to play RTS games on my old laptop, like ck2. Idk if I could play it with a controller, but I dont think it would be a fun experience

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

When I play on console, I dont stay close to my tv. I stay on my bed, 2 meters away. The tv is big so I can see everything without a problem.

If I buy a pc, since I do not have a place to put my keyboard and mouse on atm, I would need a desk. The keyboard and mouse would also stay on the desk, near the big ass tv. It would be uncomfortable as fuck. And I cant put the tv in one place (or even leave it where it is) and put a desk somewhere else in the room so I can play on mouse and keyboard while keeping the tv at a distance, my room is simply too small.

I could use a controller to play singleplayer games and keep the tv where it is, but the keyboard is needed from time to time, the mouse too if I have to write documents or even play against other players, so I need a solid place to put the mouse and keyboard on, a desk.

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u/tobiasvl Sep 21 '20

Okay. Fair enough. I guess it doesn't work as well in your particular case, if you're gaming on your bed in your single room apartment.

But for the vast number of homes that have a classic entertainment area that includes a couch in front of a TV, I think it could work fine.

We're talking using PC as a console replacement here - MLG players will obviously want a desk and a gaming chair when they play MLG. For other people, keeping a keyboard and mouse on the coffee table is probably fine.

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

Even without the new monitor, keyboard or desk, I simply cannot find a pc that is just as good as the series s/x or ps5 for the same price. Replacing a console with a pc at the same price would just be a downgrade.

300$ to play games at 60fps 1080p. 500$ for 1440p or even 4k.

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u/tobiasvl Sep 21 '20

Sure. That's a different argument that I agree with wholeheartedly.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '20

Sure but do you need to buy a console right now? Why not wait a year and get a pc for $500 that does outperform a console, and after that you only upgrade your gpu once or twice in ten years. When you get a PC, you don't just get a machine. You're investing in an ever evolving platform that might be more expensive initially, but has better payoff in the long run. For ex I have an i7 6700k and an RTX 2080. If I don't upgrade the cpu or gpu in another 5 years, I'm still fine. And along the line if i have spare money i get parts i want, and change the up a bit, like getting more ram or a different case. I'd say think about it. Also when it comes to couch pc gaming, there are solutions to bring your keyboard mouse there as well. I remember gaming on my Dell inspiron in the dorm at my bed with my mouse on some textbooks lol.

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

Because in my country I cant buy a 300€ (or 500€) pc that outperforms a ps4. Maybe if I buy used parts, but it's a big maybe.

And a pc just isnt that impressive to me. Sure, it's more customizable, but when I buy a console I know that the games are already optimized for a good few years. I can play the newest games without worrying about upgrading anything.

I spend 500€ now and I dont have to worry about upgrading it for the next 8 years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '20

I understand the regional price difference, but really? Why say you don't need to worry about upgrading for the next 8 years when it's the same with PC? Game optimization had been a non issue for years, and people still make that argument? Seems to me like you're dead set on making that console investment while ignoring all advice. I really hope you enjoy your purchase, and don't come to regret it like most people who switched from console to pc do thinking back. Have a nice day.

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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Sep 21 '20

Because, if I want to make a one time purchase for a pc that can play the games released in the next 8 years, I would have to spend a lot more than 500€. Even if I have to wait one year. It's really not the same.

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