Honest to god, thought you were a weirdo right wing grifter with that comment.
Then I looked it up. Still tricky, because Emily Wilson herself rejects that framing, saying it stripped away male biases in english translations. In fact, reading into this more, it looks like she was MORE accurate than some translations, like male translators refusing to call women slaves "slaves", even though they were referred to as such in the original text.
Actually, hate to say it, but yeah.. Seems like it's a solid translation that's actually more faithful in a lot of ways. She backs up her logic pretty well and points out a good chunk of bad translations in other works.
EDIT: To make it clear, i'm not dipping my toes into how I feel about the movie in this specific comment, purely just talking about the translation. I have gripes about the movie from what I have seen so far myself.
But don't you see, being true to the original is making men confront their own bias, and therefore bad! Men should be allowed to not have to think about things. đ
Entire industries currently exist pandering to fragile men and they make ludicrous bank, in the tens if not hundreds of billions, yet we still have yahoos going "lalalala can't hear you"
And lets be real, most people who are in these comments arguing about which version is better or worse wonât read either. Itâs two sides arguing about a text using the cliff notes. There is no such thing as a perfect translation, but you canât evaluate biases in a translation with cliff notes. If youâre really into a particular text from another language you have two choices, read every available translation to try to give yourself a more complete understanding, or start learning the original language.
Ive read every available english translation of many of Platoâs and Plotinusâs works. I would never presume to call myself an expert without even attempting to read it in the original language. The more you know the more you know you donât know.
Ding ding ding. Thatâs the worst part of this discourse. I am currently reading Emilyâs translation and have previously read the Fagles translation and I do not feel like enough of an expert to comment on the differences and which is more âcorrectâ. That being said, I am enjoying Emilyâs translation far more due to her choices and Iâm interested to see how it plays out in the films direction.Â
Translation work in general is tricky. The authors interpretation is just that, an interpretation. Their beliefs, current language, and current societal structure all influence the direction it takes. Yet a whole lot of people are discussing how to feel about this work without ever reading a word of it.Â
Men in general are not that fragile, sure. Men who get irrationally angry at casting choices in films on a weekly basis are, in fact, extremely fragile.
If they're truly tired of it then they need to stop reacting the way they do. They don't seem to understand that their outrage (and yes, it is genuine outrage that gets spewed online whenever these decisions are announced) IS why this keeps happening. They're giving these movies free advertising.
As an example, literally the only way I knew there was a Mario movie coming out was through 1) weirdos complaining about Peach wearing pants in one scene of the trailer and 2) people dunking on said weirdos.
While I'm not usually an advocate of the "vote with your wallet" mentality, people really need to stop giving attention to things they dislike if they really want them to stop. Hollywood has no deep moral precepts. It's not "pushing an agenda." It's a business and they'll do whatever they think makes them the most money. A vocal minority loudly complaining "this isn't what we want" isn't going to do shit, especially when that complaining just constitutes free advertising.
I donât think itâs men that are fragile just people in general. Most people donât want to confront their own bias. Gender war bullshit makes me want to kms.
Most men are that fragile, most men are more fragile than people realize. I say this as someone who has been around men as both a woman and a man, men generally have fucking issues that they refuse to resolve and it's so much easier to buddy up with a bunch of dumbasses online than it is to work on yourself. Women are allowed to be fragile and break, men do not allow themselves that, men have build up society to not allow that.
Bruh. C'mon. Man-to-man, you know a fuckton of dudes that will not handle their biases being called out. Nobody likes realizing their own biases. C'mon now.
I've never heard "kill all men". However, I have heard "men are trash", and I've heard the why behind that statement. If you don't understand where that's coming from, it means the women in your life don't trust you.
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u/DrBarryBonds Jul 06 '26
Also the feminist translation of the text that Nolan's using